Irish Youtuber - cold shower punishment for 2 yr old

Raconteuse wrote: »

It's not a reasonable punishment for a two-year-old, is all people are saying.

Its not an informed opinion.

They are incorrect judging from my practical experience.

I think judging from the opinion formed that the above children looked 'abused'. I would think those people don't have a lot of experience with it to be able to form an accurate opinion.

One eyed Jack

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

You have just never seen it so you think it always has to be this big dramatic event where children cry. It isnt.

And of course you all think you know so much better. These children must be abused.

You’re missing the crucial difference though between something that’s done where the intent is to punish the child, and something that’s done where there is no intent to punish the child.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Those children are in deepest siberia. Throwing buckets of freezing water over themselves.
One poster is claiming they look abused. :rolleyes:

The saccone joly child is indoors in the UK in August. They probably gave her a cold shower for 60 secs and then dried her off and dressed her.

The children in deepest Siberia ( so my Russian friend has just informed me) have most likely just ran out of a sauna to douse off with cold water before running straight back indoors. She advises me this is far from pleasant and the notion that you can play out barefoot and almost naked in those temperatures for any length of time is laughable.

The fact that you would advovate physical punishment of any kind or duration on a toddler being toilet trained for making a mess is shocking.

But I'm sure you'll just keep posting about how your mother gave you ice baths. Because this thread can't be about the child in the OP can it?

Raconteuse wrote: »

It's not a reasonable punishment for a two-year-old, is all people are saying.

doesnt seem *un*reasonable tbh.

i mean, is anything stronger than the naughty step considered reasonable these days?

Raconteuse wrote: »

It's not a reasonable punishment for a two-year-old, is all people are saying.

But kids in Siberia do it for fun. Apparently that means something. Let's just ignore the fact that they are older and appear to want to do it, and also completely ignore the potential anxieties a 2 year old may develop after being put in a cold shower for being bold.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You’re missing the crucial difference though between something that’s done where the intent is to punish the child, and something that’s done where there is no intent to punish the child.

whats the difference between an ice-cream where the intent is to punish and one where there isnt

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

And I am sure if the child was really upset by it they would simply try something else.

How are you sure?

dickangel wrote: »

But kids in Siberia do it for fun. Apparently that means something. Let's just ignore the fact that they are older and appear to want to do it, and also completely ignore the potential anxieties a 2 year old may develop after being put in a cold shower for being bold.

Let's also ignore the fact that they can only run out and straight back in again without doing serious harm to themselves.

dickangel wrote: »

But kids in Siberia do it for fun. Apparently that means something. Let's just ignore the fact that they are older and appear to want to do it, and also completely ignore the potential anxieties a 2 year old may develop after being put in a cold shower for being bold

Toddlers are given cold baths too and babies.

I don't think you are informed enough to be able to form an opinion. You are speaking from ignorance. And you don't seem to have practical experience of children and cold showers.

Child abuse is a very serious accusation.

Sardonicat wrote: »

Let's also ignore the fact that they can only run out and straight back in again without doing serious harm to themselves.

They stay out there a while.

And please be sensible. That family is in the UK in a house in the middle of summer.

Newborn babies Russia.

*awaits cries of ABUSE ABUSE*

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Toddlers are given cold baths too and babies.

I don't think you are informed enough to be able to form an opinion. You are speaking from ignorance. And you don't seem to have practical experience of children and cold showers.

Child abuse is a very serious accusation.

You advocated slapping a toddler for messing a bed. I think your grasp of what constitutes child abuse is weak at best.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Toddlers are given cold baths too and babies.

I don't think you are informed enough to be able to form an opinion. You are speaking from ignorance. And you don't seem to have practical experience of children and cold showers.

Child abuse is a very serious accusation.

Your logic is flawed. Are Siberian children given cold baths as punishment? If not then it's not relevant. And your personal experience is also irrelevant.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

They stay out there a while.

And please be sensible. That family is in the UK in a house in the middle of summer.

According to my Russian friend, from Russia, who actually did this kind of thing with her family, that's not possible.

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Sardonicat wrote: »

According to my Russian friend, from Russia, who actually did this kind of thing with her family, that's not possible.

You have no russian friend.

What is a christening? Do they warm the water up or what?

Sorry not catholic my experience is limited.

At 15 below, frostbite will happen at 15 minutes on exposed skin. And Siberia gets quite a bit colder than that in winter.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

What is a christening? Do they warm the water up or what?

Sorry not catholic my experience is limited.

A trickle of water on a baby's head.

One eyed Jack

[Deleted User] wrote: »

whats the difference between an ice-cream where the intent is to punish and one where there isnt

The difference is intent of giving the child the ice-cream. It could mean the difference between the parents having no case to answer for, an intervention by social services, or the parents being charged with child neglect.

I’m not going to get too het up about the allegations in this case if it’s the same idiots that are known for faking drama to increase their viewing figures.

dickangel wrote: »

At 15 below, frostbite will happen at 15 minutes on exposed skin. And Siberia gets quite a bit colder than that in winter.

yeah i kind of know that.

A bit different to the UK in August no?

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

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You have no russian friend.

I'm not the fantasist around here.

But well done. Yet another thread made all about yo

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I’m not going to get too het up about the allegations in this case if it’s the same idiots that are known for faking drama to increase their viewing figures.

That's them. Also their crazy viewers.

in soviet russia, shower has cold you

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

yeah i kind of know that.

A bit different to the UK in August no?

I'm responding to you saying that the kids stay out there a while. They don't. A few seconds if anything.

dickangel wrote: »

I'm responding to you saying that the kids stay out there a while. They don't. A few seconds if anything.

Much longer i did it as a kid.

Tell me more about your russian friend sardonicat??

Its siberia.

Sardonicat wrote: »

I'm not the fantasist around here.

But well done. Yet another thread made all about you.

Must be great to have so much personal experience in every conceivable topic ever.

Raconteuse

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its not an informed opinion.

They are incorrect judging from my practical experience.

I think judging from the opinion formed that the above children looked 'abused'. I would think those people don't have a lot of experience with it to be able to form an accurate opinion.

They don't look abused imo to be fair, but you're not comparing like with like - children having fun versus a punishment. Also, you have no evidence that Sardonicat doesn't have a Russian friend. Maybe speak to people as you'd like them to speak to you.

Deleted User wrote: »

doesnt seem *un*reasonable tbh.

i mean, is anything stronger than the naughty step considered reasonable these days?

This is a two-year-old. Pretty disingenuous of you.

dickangel wrote: »

Must be great to have so much personal experience in every conceivable topic ever.

I would say to you so it must be such a shame to have such a LIMITED personal experience to draw from.

You lead such sheltered lives. Yet i post on here so much?? What you doing?

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Much longer i did it as a kid.

Tell me more about your russian friend sardonicat??

Its siberia.

Why would I discuss the personal details of another person online? I thought you were Dutch.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

You lead such sheltered lives. Yet i post on here so much?? What you doing?

Getting on in the real world.