Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY7875_rv1s

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

This angry kid campaign is from Greenpeace 12 years ago. . .The alarmists love to use children, and fill their little heads with scary predictions.

ofcourse they do. The message has always been 'you'll only really notice the effects when youre dead, its your kids that will feel it'

selling you something you won't be alive to complain about - genius.

Pa ElGrande

Hal3000 wrote: »

I’m a bit late to this post, but here are my thoughts. There are activists championing causes for years now who get little or no coverage for their efforts. Along comes a young kid screaming at Governments and the media see a much more interesting angle than say the crusty 50 year old environmentalist. That’s why she’s popular, she’s done very little in the way of hard work in activist circles. That’s not her fault as she’s young, but in environmental circles she’s known as a token activist at this moment. The media will tire of her soon and then we will see the real Greta and if her dedication can continue when she’s not in the limelight or getting huge credit anymore. Remember the activist is not the person who says we should clean the beach, the activist is the person who cleans it.

This angry kid campaign is from Greenpeace 12 years ago. . .The alarmists love to use children, and fill their little heads with scary predictions.

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Which you claim with no evidence. But hey what’s new. If this is your level of debate I can see why you are so impressed by teenagers.

What level of debate. I made it clear I wasn't going to debate you on your 'nwo' nonsense.

As I said I'm just disappointed you couldn't even be original with it. Funny, almost comedic but not your own work.

Hal3000

I’m a bit late to this post, but here are my thoughts. There are activists championing causes for years now who get little or no coverage for their efforts. Along comes a young kid screaming at Governments and the media see a much more interesting angle than say the crusty 50 year old environmentalist. That’s why she’s popular, she’s done very little in the way of hard work in activist circles as opposed to someone who has been volunteering for 15 years on these issues. That’s not her fault as she’s young, but in environmental circles she’s still only known as a token activist at this moment. The media will tire of her soon and then we will see the real Greta and if her dedication can continue when she’s not in the limelight or getting huge credit anymore. Remember the activist is not the person who says we should clean the beach, the activist is the person who cleans it.

SafeSurfer

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

Not as clever as your copy and past skillz.

Which you claim with no evidence. But hey what’s new. If this is your level of debate I can see why you are so impressed by teenagers.

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Clever boy.

Not as clever as your copy and past skillz.

SafeSurfer

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

SafeSurfer wrote: »

“Never wants to discuss the topic on (sic) hand”

That’s a bit rich from someone who claimed I copied and pasted a post half a dozen times rather than discuss the issue.

Sad.

So where did you copy and paste that nonsense from?.

Clever boy.

joe40

Blueshoe wrote: »

That figure will naturally keep going higher. Especially if African countries become developed. There would be massive infrastructure projects and energy needs coupled with a population boom.
Carbon out the Ying Yang.

Meanwhile Ireland produces 0.13% of global emissions.

The elephant is still in the room

For a population of 5 million out of a global population of 7.7 billion 0.13%of emissions are significant.
Also we are not acting alone we are part of EU wide emissions reduction.
This is a global problem, everyone must do their part.

SafeSurfer wrote: »

“Never wants to discuss the topic on (sic) hand”
That’s a bit rich from someone who claimed I copied and pasted a post half a dozen times rather than discuss the issue.

Sad.

It's the same old crap all the time. It's like some type of sad comedy act tbh.

Edit: see why I mean :rolleyes:

SafeSurfer wrote: »

“Never wants to discuss the topic on (sic) hand”

That’s a bit rich from someone who claimed I copied and pasted a post half a dozen times rather than discuss the issue.

Sad.

So where did you copy and paste that nonsense from?.

SafeSurfer

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

So you don't send weird PMs go people after they call out your blatant lies and misstruths in posts?

And I don't have one in my inbox?

Ok then.
Maybe it wasn't you, maybe it was your alternate personality.

I wouldn't bother with himself. See his previous interactions with Akrasia. Never wants to discuss the topic on hand.. Just picks on words and whinges about them.

Best throw on ignore. Your not alone about the PMs. Plenty others have received weird ones from himself aswell.

“Never wants to discuss the topic on (sic) hand”

That’s a bit rich from someone who claimed I copied and pasted a post half a dozen times rather than discuss the issue.

Sad.

Blueshoe

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

The entire continent of Africa currently produces far less than 10% (current approximations are below 5%) of all emissions. Unless their population is going to hit 10 billion your demented concern is extremely misplaced.

And there are ways to slow the population growth in Africa, like canceling debts, stopping one-sided "tide aid" scams from the global north, and allowing African countries to invest in education and development instead of having their resources stolen on a massive scale by a handful of massive corporations.

But nobody wants to talk about that.

Just faux concern about potential population growth in continent that contributes least, by multiples, to climate change.

That figure will naturally keep going higher. Especially if African countries become developed. There would be massive infrastructure projects and energy needs coupled with a population boom.
Carbon out the Ying Yang.

Meanwhile Ireland produces 0.13% of global emissions.

The elephant is still in the room

Blueshoe wrote: »

The real elephant in the room

World population predictions:

By 2070, the bulk of the world's population growth is predicted to take place in Africa: of the additional 2.4 billion people projected between 2015 and 2050, 1.3 billion will be added in Africa, 0.9 billion in Asia and only 0.2 billion in the rest of the world.

The entire continent of Africa currently produces far less than 10% (current approximations are below 5%) of all emissions. Unless their population is going to hit 10 billion your demented concern is extremely misplaced.

And there are ways to slow the population growth in Africa, like canceling debts, stopping one-sided "tide aid" scams from the global north, and allowing African countries to invest in education and development instead of having their resources stolen on a massive scale by a handful of massive corporations.

But nobody wants to talk about that.

Just faux concern about potential population growth in continent that contributes least, by multiples, to climate change.

Blueshoe

Thargor wrote: »

And why can he not get it in his skull that its not an either/or choice? We need to do everything across the board...

The real elephant in the room

World population predictions:

By 2070, the bulk of the world's population growth is predicted to take place in Africa: of the additional 2.4 billion people projected between 2015 and 2050, 1.3 billion will be added in Africa, 0.9 billion in Asia and only 0.2 billion in the rest of the world.

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

I wouldn't bother with himself. See his previous interactions with Akrasia. Never wants to discuss the topic on hand.. Just picks on words and whinges about them. Best throw on ignore. Your not alone about the PMs. Plenty others have received weird ones from himself aswell.

More of the third person bull****ology again lol. Must have been someone else. God knows this type of crap is common enough imo. But nope no strange pm from me. Straight up. But for sure why never discuss anything? Just go on the attack eh?. Same old eh. Sad that there seems a small number who can't engage in discussion. But hey there ye go. Maybe try that crap in AH. It doesn't really wash here because if dont like discussion better to put this whole forum on ignore ...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Why do you keep conflating environmental damage with climate damage?
They aren't the same thing.
Stop.

Sorry to burst your idealistic bubble but yes indeed environmental damage and climate change have indeed been linked. But like the above its seems things just get made up tbh ...

Heres just one single example ..

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/8/15/20805136/climate-change-fracking-methane-emissions

Thargor

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Why do you keep conflating environmental damage with climate damage?

They aren't the same thing.

Stop.

And why can he not get it in his skull that its not an either/or choice? We need to do everything across the board...

Eric Cartman wrote: »

And how about I explain to you, that dealing with the all the bigger problems in africa / asia / south america first will add up to a lot more, then tackle the US power generation emissions, Europe has done so much for the environment, theres nothing left to do to us that isnt punative to normal living, whereas getting the indians to stop ruining rivers with plastic is a tangible step.

Why do you keep conflating environmental damage with climate damage?

They aren't the same thing.

Stop.

Thargor wrote: »

Oh look who's back pretending the plastic bag/straw/cutlery ban hasnt been explained to him very slowly and carefully in 200 of these threads before.

You see Eric, and concentrate now, nobody is suggesting reducing single use plastic will solve our problems, nobody is suggesting that planting a few trees will solve all our problems, nobody is suggesting that preventing the destruction of peat bogs will solve all our problems. Nobody is suggesting that some 16 year olds publicity campaign thats got you so excited is going to solve all our problems and on and on and on.

This is the tricky bit now, are you ready? You have to take all the minor benefits from all these thousands of initiatives and add them together, I know its hard but you have to try, because zooming in on one singular issue like banning plastic straws and claiming thats all the lefties are doing to save the planet makes you look a bit thick you see?

And how about I explain to you, that dealing with the all the bigger problems in africa / asia / south america first will add up to a lot more, then tackle the US power generation emissions, Europe has done so much for the environment, theres nothing left to do to us that isnt punative to normal living, whereas getting the indians to stop ruining rivers with plastic is a tangible step.

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

So you don't send weird PMs go people after they call out your blatant lies and misstruths in posts?

And I don't have one in my inbox?

Ok then.
Maybe it wasn't you, maybe it was your alternate personality.

I wouldn't bother with himself. See his previous interactions with Akrasia. Never wants to discuss the topic on hand.. Just picks on words and whinges about them.

Best throw on ignore. Your not alone about the PMs. Plenty others have received weird ones from himself aswell.

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

So you don't send weird PMs go people after they call out your blatant lies and misstruths in posts?

And I don't have one in my inbox?

Ok then.
Maybe it wasn't you, maybe it was your alternate personality.

Thargor

Eric Cartman wrote: »

True, but so is anyone claiming banning europeans using plastic straws or taxing us more will fight climate change. Threads mad on the lunacy. The worst part is, the africa genocide would help, just nobody is suggesting it because its wrong for so many reasons.

Oh look who's back pretending the plastic bag/straw/cutlery ban hasnt been explained to him very slowly and carefully in 200 of these threads before.

You see Eric, and concentrate now, nobody is suggesting reducing single use plastic will solve our problems, nobody is suggesting that planting a few trees will solve all our problems, nobody is suggesting that preventing the destruction of peat bogs will solve all our problems. Nobody is suggesting that some 16 year olds publicity campaign thats got you so excited is going to solve all our problems and on and on and on.

This is the tricky bit now, are you ready? You have to take all the minor benefits from all these thousands of initiatives and add them together, I know its hard but you have to try, because zooming in on one singular issue like banning plastic straws and claiming thats all the lefties are doing to save the planet makes you look a bit thick you see?

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

So you don't send weird PMs go people after they call out your blatant lies and misstruths in posts?And I don't have one in my inbox?Ok then. Maybe it wasn't you, maybe it was your alternate personality.

Well first of all why are you blowing kisses in your previous comment? It's all a bit fuking weird and obsessive in a discussion no?

Why cant you simply engage with the discussion and stop trying to throw ****e? And nope - bs or you must be strangely mixing me up with someone else you tried to do the same. Btw if you think it happened then report me or jump. Only pm to ask some eejit to stop following me around boards. But hey even if that didnt work it was worth a try...

Anyway as I said you've blown your argument for sure with that type of crap. See the above diagram about how to engage in a proper discussion if you are in any doubt ...

Blueshoe

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

No it ****ing wouldn't. Do you have any idea what the total contributions of global GHG are from the entire continent of Africa are?

Per-capita Africa produces 6.6% of the Co2 the US does.

World population predictions:

By 2070, the bulk of the world's population growth is predicted to take place in Africa: of the additional 2.4 billion people projected between 2015 and 2050, 1.3 billion will be added in Africa, 0.9 billion in Asia and only 0.2 billion in the rest of the world.

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

No it ****ing wouldn't. Do you have any idea what the total contributions of global GHG are from the entire continent of Africa are?

Per-capita Africa produces 6.6% of the Co2 the US does.

so it would still help ?
Im sorry if ive blown out of proportion the effectiveness of a climate strategy, I guess im just as bad as the tax europe and plastic straw ban brigade.

gozunda wrote: »

Why? Who's being telling you porkies or are you going to just continue attacking those you don't agree wit? But hey what's new lol. Strange how its always the same bull**** crap that is trotted out... :rolleyes:

The crap just gets more stupid everyday for sure ...

So you don't send weird PMs go people after they call out your blatant lies and misstruths in posts?

And I don't have one in my inbox?

Ok then.
Maybe it wasn't you, maybe it was your alternate personality.

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Are the weird PMs going to start again now?I'd prefer if they didn't. Xoxox

Why? Who's being telling you porkies or are you going to just continue attacking those you don't agree with. Strange how its always the same bull**** crap that is trotted out... :rolleyes:

The crap just gets more stupid everyday for sure ...

'll just leave this here as apparently the level of discussion is now in the sewer But hey what's new?

Eric Cartman wrote: »

True, but so is anyone claiming banning europeans using plastic straws or taxing us more will fight climate change. Threads mad on the lunacy. The worst part is, the africa genocide would help, just nobody is suggesting it because its wrong for so many reasons.

No it ****ing wouldn't. Do you have any idea what the total contributions of global GHG are from the entire continent of Africa are?

Per-capita Africa produces 6.6% of the Co2 the US does.

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Anyone trying to claim a 16 hear old girl is calling for the genocide of approximately 1,212,000,000 Africans as a way of fighting climate change is, absolutely, a f*cking lunatic.

True, but so is anyone claiming banning europeans using plastic straws or taxing us more will fight climate change. Threads mad on the lunacy. The worst part is, the africa genocide would help, just nobody is suggesting it because its wrong for so many reasons.

Anyone trying to claim a 16 hear old girl is calling for the genocide of approximately 1,212,000,000 Africans as a way of fighting climate change is, absolutely, a f*cking lunatic.