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Brexit discussion thread X (Please read OP before posting)

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This is the tenth incarnation of our Brexit discussion thread, so Ive copied ACDs comments from the last thread to here. Same warnings etc still apply:

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looksee

Brickster you quoted the post requesting that you name just one benefit of leaving the EU and you went off on a tangent - I would really like to hear one solid reason for leaving, one real advantage?

brickster69

BonnieSituation wrote: »

We did a deal with them and they've gone off in a strop. Jesus.

It was a proposed deal that was not accepted by Parliament. Do you not get it yet ?

FrancieBrady

brickster69 wrote: »

It was a proposed deal that was not accepted by Parliament. Do you not get it yet ?

That is parliaments issue. It is their problem if they give their premier the ability to negotiate on their behalf and then welch on that understanding.

i.e. get your act together UK and get back to us when you are ready.

brickster69

looksee wrote: »

Brickster you quoted the post requesting that you name just one benefit of leaving the EU and you went off on a tangent - I would really like to hear one solid reason for leaving, one real advantage?

Yes, for EU laws not to be higher than UK laws.

trellheim

brickster69 wrote: »

It was a proposed deal that was not accepted by Parliament. Do you not get it yet ?

Have to stop you there.

HM Govt agreed the deal and accepted it for the United Kingdom, much in it was put in by, and extremely favourable for, the United Kingdom.

the UK Parliament has so far failed to ratify it. Words are important here.

You bet we get it.

brickster69

PropJoe10 wrote: »

That's not the fault of the EU.

It is. The EU said it was the best deal on offer. So now instead o getting the best deal they get the worst deal possible. Way to go EU !

trellheim

brickster69 wrote: »

Yes, for EU laws not to be higher than UK laws.

Yeah those pesky free mobile phone roaming laws in all the EU are a bitch but you do you .

brickster69

trellheim wrote: »

Have to stop you there.

HM Govt agreed the deal and accepted it for the United Kingdom, much in it was put in by, and extremely favourable for, the United Kingdom.

the UK Parliament has so far failed to ratify it. Words are important here.

You bet we get it.

It was rejected 3 times by a pro remain parliament. Does that tell you how favourable it was. Anyway it is dead now.

First Up

brickster69 wrote: »

It was rejected 3 times by a pro remain parliament. Does that tell you how favourable it was. Anyway it is dead now.

So faced with a choice between the best deal they could negotiate and the worst deal imaginable, the HoC opts for the latter.

How responsible.

brickster69

trellheim wrote: »

Yeah those pesky free mobile phone roaming laws in all the EU are a bitch but you do you .

Does not matter to me, they are free in most countries in the world without being in the EU.

BonnieSituation

brickster69 wrote: »

It was a proposed deal that was not accepted by Parliament. Do you not get it yet ?

I get it. The EU negotiated with the UK government. Why would they negotiate with a parliament?

Are you saying the UK government has no competence to negotiate its exit from the EU?

The UK's nonsensical processes of ratification etc are not our fault. And yet we are being blamed on them not "getting it".

looksee

You don't have any advantages do you? All the talk is just to be a devils advocate, stir things along.

So which particular EU law that supercedes a UK law is particularly offensive to you? Bearing in mind that the UK was involved in its creation.

BonnieSituation

brickster69 wrote: »

Does not matter to me, they are free in most countries in the world without being in the EU.

Name a country where they allow you to roam for free in another country.

brickster69

First Up wrote: »

So faced with a choice between the best deal they could negotiate and the worst deal imaginable, the HoC opts for the latter.

How responsible.

Three times as well. Anyway the deal is dead. You guys should be more worried about what plans you have to make than worrying about the poor old UK.

BonnieSituation

brickster69 wrote: »

Yes, for EU laws not to be higher than UK laws.

Are you saying that EU laws should have no primacy or are you saying they should have no primacy in the UK and that's okay that the rest of us agree with EU law having primacy over our own in certain sectors to ensure we have a functioning Union-wide single market, customs Union and generally just a good oul, place to live and work because of the similarity of laws and processes where required?

BonnieSituation

brickster69 wrote: »

Three times as well. Anyway the deal is dead. You guys should be more worried about what plans you have to make than worrying about the poor old UK.

You guys?

You think that the UK are going to be okay? Gas.

brickster69

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Name a country where they allow you to roam for free in another country.

USA

Jizique

looksee wrote: »

You don't have any advantages do you? All the talk is just to be a devils advocate, stir things along.

So which particular EU law that supercedes a UK law is particularly offensive to you? Bearing in mind that the UK were involved in its creation.

All those laws that force the UK to charge fees for students, set all their personal and corporate tax rates, control all military spending, set pay and benefit rates for teachers, doctors, civil servants and the unemployed, and force them to build heavily subsidized nuclear plants part-owned by the French and the Chinese as well as subsidized offshore wind farms owned by Danish, Spanish and German companies.
And loads more

BonnieSituation

brickster69 wrote: »

USA

From the USA to where?

Or where to the USA?

Or are you considering every state a different country?

And at that Do you think free European roaming is EU over reach?

Enzokk

brickster69 wrote: »

Yes, for EU laws not to be higher than UK laws.

Name those laws that are detrimental to the UK. You have had more than 3 years since the referendum and I would like to know which specific EU law is so bad you have to leave the EU.

brickster69 wrote: »

Does not matter to me, they are free in most countries in the world without being in the EU.

I would like a list of countries where roaming is free for overseas visitors. Then we can discard one of the positive laws or regulations from the EU for once and for all.

brickster69

Thinking about that last one. I can roam for free in any EU country and many more global countries even if the UK were not in the EU.

FrancieBrady

brickster69 wrote: »

Three times as well. Anyway the deal is dead. You guys should be more worried about what plans you have to make than worrying about the poor old UK.

I'd imagine 'the plan' is to wave the WA (maybe even with some of the compromises omitted) at the UK again when they come back in a much weaker position.

BonnieSituation

brickster69 wrote: »

Thinking about that last one. I can roam for free in any EU country and many more global countries even if the UK were not in the EU.

You can roam for free within the EU from another EU country because the EU forced mobile companies to allow us to do so.

Do you think this is a bad thing?

What global countries are you roaming for free in as of right and not as part of a mobile tarrif add-on?

prawnsambo

brickster69 wrote: »

Ok, you listen to leaks. But the link below is the mandate given to EU negotiators. Are you saying once they have been given a mandate it can be changed ?

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2019/04/15/trade-with-the-united-states-council-authorises-negotiations-on-elimination-of-tariffs-for-industrial-goods-and-on-conformity-assessment/

So much garbage on here and no one calls it out as lies.

As the pre-eminent producer of garbage on here, that's a bit rich.

And that announcement is only part of the programme announced in the joint statement by Juncker and Trump last year. As you can see, it's intended to be a good bit more than what you've posted about.

brickster69

It is not a mobile add on. You can roam for free anywhere if your carrier has a network in another country which they all do. If the UK left the EU all the carriers would offer it for free. It costs them nothing at all.

brickster69

prawnsambo wrote: »

As the pre-eminent producer of garbage on here, that's a bit rich.

And that announcement is only part of the programme announced in the joint statement by Juncker and Trump last year. As you can see, it's intended to be a good bit more than what you've posted about.

Yeah, Mr Trump insists on agricultural products EU says Non. that's why talks have not started and in 2 months time. Guess what ?

First Up

brickster69 wrote: »

Three times as well. Anyway the deal is dead. You guys should be more worried about what plans you have to make than worrying about the poor old UK.

The plans are mostly in place, thanks to the positive cooperation with our EU partners. The only loose ends are the ones waiting for the UK to piss or get off the pot.

prawnsambo

Jizique wrote: »

All those laws that force the UK to charge fees for students, set all their personal and corporate tax rates, control all military spending, set pay and benefit rates for teachers, doctors, civil servants and the unemployed, and force them to build heavily subsidized nuclear plants part-owned by the French and the Chinese as well as subsidized offshore wind farms owned by Danish, Spanish and German companies.
And loads more

I stopped at "personal and corporate tax rates". Impressive to get so many things wrong in one sentence.
So would you like to short-circuit the merriment and actually quote the actual laws that you imagine came from the EU? You know, links to statute law and EU directives.

Imreoir2

brickster69 wrote: »

It is. The EU said it was the best deal on offer. So now instead o getting the best deal they get the worst deal possible. Way to go EU !

The UK failed entirely to make any proposals that would be acceptable to the EU. No-deal will be vastly worse for the UK than the EU, well done UK.

prawnsambo

brickster69 wrote: »

Yeah, Mr Trump insists on agricultural products EU says Non. that's why talks have not started and in 2 months time. Guess what ?

Yes. But it's still not a sectoral deal. It's an agreement that's being broken down into sectors during negotiations. And there's already been agreement on beef quotas.