munsterlegend wrote: » Dublin is the national stadium and rugby needs the money to keep afloat. That arrangement was made in the amateur days.
downcow wrote: » Complex question. It would be easier for me to duck it but that’s not my style. I have lots of middle class grammar school rugby playing friends who support them. Indeed many are orangemen etc. They seem to be able to detach the trappings from the guys on the pitch and clearly the reason is that their Ulster hero’s are playing. I put games on tv torn. Often genuinely wanting to support Rory and his team mates but by the time I have seen Rory etc endure two renditions of the ss I am turned off and ambivalent to who wins. Call me what you like but we are all a product of our experience and a very nasty history. If the anthem was dropped that would be transformational for me and I would forgive the hierarchy for all the broken promises about games alternatively north and south etc. I guess that is why I am so passionate about getting our own house in order by dropping gstq from ni matches. I am also not a huge rugby fan so maybe I don’t get the nuinces
downcow wrote: » I have told you I understand and that is a broken promise I can forgive without even requesting a good Will gesture in return.mind you your argument is weak as the under 21s could at least play their games in Ulster
munsterlegend wrote: » As for u20s yeah they could go to Belfast. But under no circumstances could gstq be played just like against Italy a few years ago in the World Cup warm up.
munsterlegend wrote: » As for u20s yeah they could go to Belfast.
downcow wrote: » I wouldn’t want it to. But just you reflect on how you would feel if it was played and then you will have got it as to how most unionists feel when ss is played at games. And indeed how some of your players including you captain feels. I am interested in your honest reflections on this
munsterlegend wrote: » Our anthem Amhran na Bhfiann is nothing as divisive as gstq. As explained countless times it’s player in the republic only and not outside. Rory best is a proud Irish player as were many more with a Unionist identity. The vast majority of northern athletes will represent the tricolour next year in Japan. When you get your house is order we can discuss on an overall basis the inevitable unification of this island and what would be acceptable emblems/anthems.
downcow wrote: » And indeed how some of your players including you captain feels.
FrancieBrady wrote: » How 'the captain feels' is the best example of a working compromise you will find. It isn't important enough for him not to want to play for Ireland. Maybe NI soccer should study that.
munsterlegend wrote: » Also gstq was an anthem imposed by a Protestant majority on a minority. At the commonwealth games they fudge the issue as they know how divisive it is.
FrancieBrady wrote: » GTSQ is the sporting anthem of England. It's use anywhere else is incongruous and simply wrong. NI has no anthem of it's own for obvious reasons and NI soccer's failure to come up with a compromise one is evidence of the sectarian leadership in NI soccer. Still sulking after all these years.
gwalk wrote: » It's called Amhrán na bhFiann not "SS" you maggot Again with your ****e like the Marton McGuinness carry on
downcow wrote: » Not correct. It is not the sporting anthem of england. England use it sometimes but that doesn't mean they own it. I actually believe it should only be used in UK context ie England should not use it
FrancieBrady wrote: » The fact is...they do. And Scotland use theirs and Wales theirs and Ireland uses theirs with a compromise version that respects all. NI soccer insists on using the one England uses, make of that what you will.
munsterlegend wrote: » Our anthem Amhran na Bhfiann is nothing as divisive as gstq. As explained countless times it’s player in the republic only and not outside. Rory best is a proud Irish player as were many more with a Unionist identity. .
downcow wrote: » .....and england insists on using the one NI uses. I would like them both to stop
downcow wrote: » https://giphy.com/gifs/sixnationsrugby-rugby-ireland-six-nations-3s3pt3qcTv5O5FL15Y/tile lol It looks like a shared experience. I think Rory is going to throw up
downcow wrote: » I will be honest as I always am. I have zero recollection of greysteel chants but I know there was reference to the ira defeat at loughgal and 8-0 banners. Hardly a surprise remember this was a days after the Shankhill bomb and the news had just came out that the roi team listened to ira songs in their team coach
Rory Best wrote: “It goes back to my Ireland schools’ days. You know what it’s like playing Ireland schools, you think it’s going to be the greatest honour you are ever going to achieve.“You’re playing for Ireland. Being from rugby families like we were, you’re going, ‘This is incredible!’ You get so emotionally charged for it. And Ireland’s Call comes on – you have heard that so many times in the old Lansdowne Road or watching on TV and you’re belting it out. “They are memories I have from going to the old Lansdowne Road to watch, this build-up, and then the massive cheer, and then Ireland’s Call coming on. “I remember we played France or England. Kicked off. I’m flying up going, ‘The first guy is getting it!’ They catch it, kick it out and I’m then turning around, running back to get a ball, still thinking, ‘Somebody’s going to get it’. I fired this throw-in and it went… like I sort of tell the story that it went three times the height of the person I was throwing it to, it wasn’t that bad! It flew over the top. “From then on, I went, I can’t go into a game… because it’s so emotive to me, Ireland’s Call. Actually, even the tail end of the Irish national anthem, you know the way you get that build-up for that crescendo at the end. “The problem is then, I worry that it’s going to happen in a big game. That we’re going to kick off against the All Blacks, Beauden Barrett is going to catch it, kick it out and then I’m fully charged, trying to focus in. And it is such a core skill. “It’s a bit like goalkicking. You have to get your heart rate down, you have to focus, get your breathing back, and focus for that split second to throw the perfect throw. That is just why I did it. I don’t know whether it would affect me as much now, but I’m not prepared to take the chance.”
steddyeddy wrote: » But who cares if they did? You yourself stated that you have no problem with murders like the Shankill butchers being part of an organisation.
munsterlegend wrote: » https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/i-don-t-see-why-anyone-would-find-it-strange-i-support-ireland-1.3431801%3fmode=amp No one having any problem at all supporting Ireland.
downcow wrote: » LOL A reporter goes into a pub and asks those supporting Ireland, if the are happy supporting Ireland, and you are surprised the answer is yes LOL Thats like asking the bandsmen with the para symbol on their slieve if they are happy for people to wear para symbols on their slieve. Look I am tired of this. If you think the SS causes no problem for unionist players and fans then thats fine. Bury your head in the sand. I in the meantime will get on with trying to get a sporting anthem to replace GSTQ at NI matches We'll not fall out over it. and if you think ROI team playing songs in their team bus about killing policemen is fine, then thats fine to. If you think that unionist organisations should ban members who commit crimes but nationalist organisations should not, thats also fine and i could go on and on. Ihave learnt from this that actually nationalists and unioists have clearly moved further and are more in touch with reality up north than their counterparts in the south - I guess the counterparts in the USA are even more in fantasyland
munsterlegend wrote: » So you agree gstq was subjected on the people by a sectarian majority? I don’t notice any walls between peoples living down here. The north is just one of those British experiments that went completely wrong. The place needs to be reset. Unionist politicians get elected based on how vitriolic you can be about the nationalists. Don’t get me wrong Sinn Fein are as bad in certain ways but at least the language used is for a shared future rather than how much we hate our neighbour.
downcow wrote: » At least i answer questions eddy Do you think murderers should be banned from GAA SF etc. Give a straight answer. its a simple question
Junkyard Tom wrote: » What DC doesn't seem to understand is that what he wants for Rugby is exceptionalism - a Unionist anthem, to placate less than half the population of 6 counties of the northeast of Ireland, where a Unionist majority only exists in only two. You keep being you though - because neutral readers of the thread will see just how difficult it is to deal with unionist supremacists.
