Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

Tell me how wrote: »

You sound like you're trying to get a laugh out of your mates with these posts.

If I tell you I think you're really funny will you stop trying to prove it?

Think you have picked me up wrong.

Honestly.

splinter65 wrote: »

The students who get dropped to school each morning in Chelsea tractors and have all been to the Canaries in a 737 for their holidays?
The students who sit around their fossil fuel heated homes the whole winter in t-shirts shipped at great ecological expense from Taiwan while tweeting from their iPhones?

Does the above cover all students?
It's easy throw blanket accusations at students.

And simultaneously castigating Greta who tries to set an example just makes it look like you're just looking for a way to demean or undermine the argument in any way possible.

Tell me how wrote: »

Several hundred thousand of students world wide have participated in her strike worldwide.

Applications for environmental courses in CAO courses increased this year.

I don't think it's unfair to say the two things are likely linked.

The two things are completely unrelated. Some people are like that, that they care about being seen to care about whatever social issue is currently trending. Last year it was metoo, this year it’s climate change, next year it’ll be something else that captures international interest for a brief period.

Trying to link this latest movement with an upsurge in the number of CAO applications for environmental courses is at best wishful thinking, and at worst fallacious. It would be like me suggesting that the upsurge in interest in the social sciences is a result of the metoo movement.

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Applications for gender studies and Identity politics keep going up too.

The people on these courses say they are concerned about Co2 but they emit so much hot air themselves.

You sound like you're trying to get a laugh out of your mates with these posts.

If I tell you I think you're really funny will you stop trying to prove it?

splinter65

Tell me how wrote: »

Several hundred thousand of students world wide have participated in her strike worldwide.

Applications for environmental courses in CAO courses increased this year.

I don't think it's unfair to say the two things are likely linked.

The students who get dropped to school each morning in Chelsea tractors and have all been to the Canaries in a 737 for their holidays?
The students who sit around their fossil fuel heated homes the whole winter in t-shirts shipped at great ecological expense from Taiwan while tweeting from their iPhones?

minggatu

hetuzozaho wrote: »

And she has just updated today's position. Does anyone know is there a way to follow the position live via Google maps or something?

I followed her there now. 1million followers for some tweeting about science. Different to the kardashians anyway

windy.com

Tell me how wrote: »

Several hundred thousand of students world wide have participated in her strike worldwide.

Applications for environmental courses in CAO courses increased this year.

I don't think it's unfair to say the two things are likely linked.

Applications for gender studies and Identity politics keep going up too.

The people on these courses say they are concerned about Co2 but they emit so much hot air themselves.

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One eyed Jack wrote: »

But she hasn’t advanced awareness of anything only herself and the adults who surround her?

Several hundred thousand of students world wide have participated in her strike worldwide.

Applications for environmental courses in CAO courses increased this year.

I don't think it's unfair to say the two things are likely linked.

Tell me how wrote: »

Greta is advancing the awareness and therefore the broader discussion in a way which is new.

If it lasts 6, 12, 18 or 24 months, it is better than the tokenism which had gone before.

The biggest impact she is likely to have had is to create awareness amongst her peers so that as they move towards college, work, adulthood they'll demand action from governmental organisations more than previous generations did.

But she hasn’t advanced awareness of anything only herself and the adults who surround her? I don’t think it will last which is the whole point I’m trying to make about creating something sustainable. I know you know what sustainability is, and Greta’s demonstrations and grandiose gestures aren’t it.

Climate scientists, politicians, teachers, etc have been working on these issues for decades now, long before Greta ever appeared on the scene. That’s why Greta telling people that she wants them to be as scared as she is and that adults have stolen her future just comes across as alarmist patronising nonsense. There’s nothing scientific in her rhetoric where she is mimicking scientists and protesters opinions to politicians.

I think her peers will demand more action, that is those children who are inspired by her will demand more action. Those children who are inspired by someone else will be opposed to the people who were inspired by Greta. They will move through college, work and adulthood too in a society which is perpetuated by Capitalism and driven by consumerism. Changes to that economy are like climate change - they take place over decades, and they’re so small they’re hardly noticeable when you’re living in that period. But if you look back through history you can hardly deny that children today enjoy a better standard and quality of life than children did 100 years ago for example. Children in the future will have raised the bar again. Focusing on one single aspect of that like climate change ignores the numerous other factors which will contribute to making that a reality.

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Was posting in this thread yesterday and the subject of this girl having Aspergers came up.
It has been claimed MEAN people on the internet have used this to debunk her voyage and her political message.

Firstly this is just low I think her voyage is pointless and she is being used by others to ram this carbon tax agenda nonsense down all our necks.
The amount of resources used for this voyage and it's setup make a mockery of it.

This is a little rich girl backed by her rich family telling those of us that work our asses off we are the problem.
Oh yes but boo hoo she has Aspergers the horror nobody better poo poo on her stand.

I have Aspergers too and given the choice of a cure or a massive lotto win I know what I would be picking.:D
And yes I would install the big ass swimming pool and use a ton of energy heating it.

Good stuff dude!

SafeSurfer wrote: »

What is your definition of expert and how does one become one?

Qualifications and or sufficient experience working in the field. Also, to be recognized as such by your peers in the industry/space as being knowledgeable.

(Greta is not an expert in case you're waiting to respond stating that fact)

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Yup. It's a racing yacht. Built for speed.

Some questions and answers from crew member here. Kinda cool.

https://www.borisherrmannracing.com/news/frequently-asked-questions-on-the-transat-with-greta-thunberg/

Was posting in this thread yesterday and the subject of this girl having Aspergers came up.
It has been claimed MEAN people on the internet have used this to debunk her voyage and her political message.

Firstly this is just low I think her voyage is pointless and she is being used by others to ram this carbon tax agenda nonsense down all our necks.
The amount of resources used for this voyage and it's setup make a mockery of it.

This is a little rich girl backed by her rich family telling those of us that work our asses off we are the problem.
Oh yes but boo hoo she has Aspergers the horror nobody better poo poo on her stand.

I have Aspergers too and given the choice of a cure or a massive lotto win I know what I would be picking.:D
And yes I would install a big ass swimming pool and use a ton of energy heating it.

SafeSurfer

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

The author is a website designer and not climate expert. Hilarious.

What is your definition of expert and how does one become one?

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

No crapper but she has internet.:rolleyes::P

Yup. It's a racing yacht. Built for speed.

Some questions and answers from crew member here. Kinda cool.

https://www.borisherrmannracing.com/news/frequently-asked-questions-on-the-transat-with-greta-thunberg/

MarquisDeSad

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You keep on with the dumb where did you copy and paste it from to avoid addressing the questions posed.

How has human control of the earths temperature, something that is impossible, been prioritized over ensuring that millions of humans don’t starve to death every year?

How did this happen?

You can copy my post and google search it and if you find it has been copied and pasted from anywhere I will donate a thousand euro to a charity of your choice.
If you realise that it hasn’t been copied and pasted, that is, it is in fact original thought, all I would ask of you is to address the questions posed.

Is that fair enough or will you continue to deflect?

Admit where you copy and pasted that nonsense? You didn't write it yourself.

Anyway thanks for the comedy even it was just copy and pasted from another website.

hetuzozaho wrote: »

I see on her twitter she did her school strike on the yacht yesterday. Cool picture with the sea behind her! Fair play! She's lasted longer than I would have anyway

https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1162342911549329409?s=09

No crapper but she has internet.:rolleyes::P

https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1162689184433418240?s=19

And she has just updated today's position. Does anyone know is there a way to follow the position live via Google maps or something?

I followed her there now. 1million followers for some tweeting about science. Different to the kardashians anyway

SafeSurfer

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

Where did you copy and paste that post though?.

You keep on with the dumb where did you copy and paste it from to avoid addressing the questions posed.

How has human control of the earths temperature, something that is impossible, been prioritized over ensuring that millions of humans don’t starve to death every year?

How did this happen?

You can copy my post and google search it and if you find it has been copied and pasted from anywhere I will donate a thousand euro to a charity of your choice.
If you realise that it hasn’t been copied and pasted, that is, it is in fact original thought, all I would ask of you is to address the questions posed.

Is that fair enough or will you continue to deflect?

https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1162342911549329409?s=09

I see on her twitter she did her school strike on the yacht yesterday. Cool picture with the sea behind her! Fair play! She's lasted longer than I would have anyway

MarquisDeSad

bfa1509 wrote: »

People are always saying "Scientists say this Scientists say that" But they never say who the hell the scientists are! Surely if there is damning research to say x, y and z then the "scientist" who came up with it would want to be referenced appropriately to get the credit they deserve?

Someone posted this very interesting article a while back from an actual scientist. It could be a godsend for all those who fear the end is nigh!

https://medium.com/@pullnews/what-i-learned-about-climate-change-the-science-is-not-settled-1e3ae4712ace

The author is a website designer and not climate expert. Hilarious.

bfa1509 wrote: »

People are always saying "Scientists say this Scientists say that" But they never say who the hell the scientists are! Surely if there is damning research to say x, y and z then the "scientist" who came up with it would want to be referenced appropriately to get the credit they deserve?

Someone posted this very interesting article a while back from an actual scientist. It could be a godsend for all those who fear the end is nigh!

https://medium.com/@pullnews/what-i-learned-about-climate-change-the-science-is-not-settled-1e3ae4712ace

12,000 scientists signed statement supporting children striking for action on climate.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00861-z

Also, the post previous to yours contained links to 4 articles reporting scientific positions.

Maybe you'd know who they were if you were willing to look.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

it’s not that I think time isn’t critical or that I think scientists are lying. It’s that I think creating something sustainable means creating something long-term, not expending all our energy on short-term grandiose gestures that like fireworks make a lot of noise but only last a few minutes.

Children already learn in school about environmental sustainability, it’s not even a question of listening to scientists, it’s a question of helping people to understand how they can play their part in creating a sustainable environment and a sustainable economy. Without understanding the basics, telling people just to listen to the scientists is just pointless posturing to be honest.

Greta is advancing the awareness and therefore the broader discussion in a way which is new.

If it lasts 6, 12, 18 or 24 months, it is better than the tokenism which had gone before.

The biggest impact she is likely to have had is to create awareness amongst her peers so that as they move towards college, work, adulthood they'll demand action from governmental organisations more than previous generations did.

bfa1509

jackboy wrote: »

What scientists? Saying what? Are you talking about the 12 year thing?

People are always saying "Scientists say this Scientists say that" But they never say who the hell the scientists are! Surely if there is damning research to say x, y and z then the "scientist" who came up with it would want to be referenced appropriately to get the credit they deserve?

Someone posted this very interesting article a while back from an actual scientist. It could be a godsend for all those who fear the end is nigh!

https://medium.com/@pullnews/what-i-learned-about-climate-change-the-science-is-not-settled-1e3ae4712ace

jackboy wrote: »

What scientists? Saying what? Are you talking about the 12 year thing?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/may/03/climate-crisis-is-about-to-put-humanity-at-risk-un-scientists-warn

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49149761

https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming

https://climate.nasa.gov/effects/

If you are trying to discount Greta's position purely on the basis of whether the cliff edge is 2030 or not, you're deliberately being pedantic in order to ignore the reality.

Tell me how wrote: »

Do you not think time is critical?

Do you think the scientists who say it is are lying?

it’s not that I think time isn’t critical or that I think scientists are lying. It’s that I think creating something sustainable means creating something long-term, not expending all our energy on short-term grandiose gestures that like fireworks make a lot of noise but only last a few minutes.

Children already learn in school about environmental sustainability, it’s not even a question of listening to scientists, it’s a question of helping people to understand how they can play their part in creating a sustainable environment and a sustainable economy. Without understanding the basics, telling people just to listen to the scientists is just pointless posturing to be honest.

jackboy

Tell me how wrote: »

Do you not think time is critical?

Do you think the scientists who say it is are lying?

What scientists? Saying what? Are you talking about the 12 year thing?

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Grandiose gestures aren’t a very good indicator of someone thinking about sustainability though, are they? We all know of the marathon runner who peaked too early, or the sprinter who can only make short energetic bursts and can’t maintain that speed. That’s what you’re advocating with the scaremongering about time being critical and all the rest of it.

Do you not think time is critical?

Do you think the scientists who say it is are lying?

Tell me how wrote: »

This is why it's such a big problem.

Our capatilist society is not conducive to sustainability.

I'm no socialist/communist but we need to find a way where prioritising the environment is way higher in the order of priorities than it currently is. (Not suggesting socialist/communist societies would inherently be better for the environment either.)

Grandiose gestures aren’t a very good indicator of someone thinking about sustainability though, are they? We all know of the marathon runner who peaked too early, or the sprinter who can only make short energetic bursts and can’t maintain that speed. That’s what you’re advocating with the scaremongering about time being critical and all the rest of it.

Blueshoe

Using up a years worth of resources sooner and sooner. Too many folks on the planet.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Overshoot_Day