gwalk wrote: » It's called Amhrán na bhFiann not "SS" you maggot Again with your ****e like the Marton McGuinness carry on
RobMc59 wrote: » The only reason anyone would thank that is because it will annoy Downcow which is pretty sad. ..
citytillidie wrote: » FrancieBrady wrote: » It's no big deal downcow, it is you who are trying to rewrite the millions of words about that night. Remember, the people of the south previously went wild with support for your team when they qualified. That night of infamy spoiled all that. That water is well under the bridge now. Don’t forget the greatest night in Northern Ireland football in 82 had Northern Ireland in green white and orange on the score boardhttps://www.shutterstock.com/editorial/image-editorial/sport-3073883a
FrancieBrady wrote: » It's no big deal downcow, it is you who are trying to rewrite the millions of words about that night. Remember, the people of the south previously went wild with support for your team when they qualified. That night of infamy spoiled all that. That water is well under the bridge now.
downcow wrote: » More urban myth. What do you believe about the location of the stadium?? The Village area to the north, was traditionally a unioinist area but for decades now it has been an eclectic mix of students of all denominations, ethnic minorities and yes still significant num,bers of unionists. To the front (east) (and main entry point) is the Lisburn Road - we are always reminded by nationalist politicians when flags go up, that this is a mixed but predominantly nationalist area. To the south is commercial mixed area with no housing. To the west and the other main entrance, is the Boucher Road 100% commercial area and no housing until just 500m where you enter republican West Belfast with the famous Rock Bar only 1km from Windsor. The irony is that both Casement Park (gaa) and Kingspan (ulster rugby) are both situated in the heart of, and surrounded by single identity partisan residential populations, Windsor Park is in a very mixed and commercial area. But the amazing spin makes people in the South think the opposite. It a bit like the claim that Windsor Park is named after royalty, which is also urban myth Care to comment munsterlegend
downcow wrote: » I get that NIMan and I know lots of unionists who support the ROI when they get to major tournaments and i'm fine with that. For me it would be like expecting an everton fan to support Liverpool in the UEFA cup - some may do it but its not for me. And don't imply the religion card. I support the NI players equally whether they are catholic or play for celtic etc - doesnt have any bearing whatsoever. As for sports wher NI doesnt have its own team eg olympics, I support all the players whether they are from croydon, glasgo, swansea or belfast. they are all my country men/women in that situation. And I strongly affirm you doing likewise if you are nationalist with regard to whether they are from Cork or Belfast
downcow wrote: » FrancieBrady wrote: » You don't want the British anthem at soccer games but you think it is sectarian not to have it at rugby games? The British anthem is neither yours nor ours downcow, it is the UK's or Britain's and neither the NI soccer team nor the Irish Rugby team represent the UK, they have their own national teams. Another debunking of the notion that NI is a 'country'. Francie you are twisting again. I want neither SS or GSTQ at rugby games. I think you know that by my approach to NI games
FrancieBrady wrote: » You don't want the British anthem at soccer games but you think it is sectarian not to have it at rugby games? The British anthem is neither yours nor ours downcow, it is the UK's or Britain's and neither the NI soccer team nor the Irish Rugby team represent the UK, they have their own national teams. Another debunking of the notion that NI is a 'country'.
RobMc59 wrote: » Lol-this makes a change,you're normally putting us all straight on how bad the England football team is and how bad the fans are-usual francie anti British clap-trap ...
NIMAN wrote: » I was in Mosney in 82, and NI were cheered on enthusiastically by every viewer in the TV room when the games were on. Religion and politics didn't come into it at all. I have always cheered on both soccer teams, every athlete, team no matter what side of the border they come from. To me, they are all Irish. As for comparing the 2 separate entities of Ireland in sports to Spain and Portugal, sorry but it doesn't compare. At all.
downcow wrote: » I completely understand. Its a bit like the stuff around poaching that has ruined possibility of an harmonious relationship between the two associations - not to mention the recent rebel song singing by your great chief when he thought no one was recording. I am very opposed to the two teams ever considering uniting so its all music to my ears
FrancieBrady wrote: » downcow wrote: » Well Francie, to continue my honesty, I will certainly not go wild for your team if they qualify for something lol or for that matter any rival team But the reality was, the south celebrated with you when you qualified for Spain. It was the antics of Bingham and his squad and your supporters that ruined that. Nothing else. You always have to be the 'victim' though. :rolleyes:
downcow wrote: » Well Francie, to continue my honesty, I will certainly not go wild for your team if they qualify for something lol or for that matter any rival team
FrancieBrady wrote: » But the reality was, the south celebrated with you when you qualified for Spain. It was the antics of Bingham and his squad and your supporters that ruined that. Nothing else. You always have to be the 'victim' though. :rolleyes:
downcow wrote: » Sadly Francie you refuse to accept the reality. In international law NI is distinct from ROI. Many sporting organisations allow the two countries to play together as one unit - quite a concession, can you imagine if Portugal and Spain told FIFA we ant to play as one unit. So the reality in every world other than Francie's is that the SS is not the Anthem of NI. But sure you just continue to live in Francie's world
FrancieBrady wrote: » The anthem represents Ireland downcow.
FrancieBrady wrote: » The anthem represents Ireland downcow, as the Scotland or Welsh one represents those countries. GSTQ is the English anthem. Ireland's call is a concession to a province without an anthem.
downcow wrote: » Sad Francie that you can only see the 'bad' in others. Its a pitty , you can take a horse to water etc etc
downcow wrote: » Francie, why are you harping on at this. I have told you several times that I do not want either anthem played because neither anthem represents all the players. Its that simple! and i am not expecting to to agree but simply respect my position
FrancieBrady wrote: » Billy was at it, during the match and before it. He stoked up the atmosphere with as many 'war' metaphors' he could. Remember the 'Republic mercenaries' comment? His reputation has suffered because of that night and I don't think a Unionist who advocates for the rights of 'kids, to engage in provocation and bigotry' is going to rehabilitate him and his team tbh.
downcow wrote: » More nonsense. This whole urban myth revolves around one hand gesture BB made to the fans behind him. A little raised hand gesture encouraging even more noise. I have seen endless players and managers do it. The NI players do it very often, i think because of that special connection between them which few teams reach. Its a call for 'help us, we need a lift'. I was behinb BB and Nothing sectarian was being sung at the time. Just amazing how that encouragement from Billy has been misconstrued, but sf etc are masters at that
FrancieBrady wrote: » GSTQ is the anthem the English use why would you use it for a combined UI team? I'd imagine the decision was made because it was deemed a stupid choice.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Who said he had sectarian views? I said he was winding the sectarian chants up that night. Turning to the crowd and urging them to keep it up. It's history now ...that night. I doubt we here are going to rewrite it.
downcow wrote: » Francie you are twisting again. I want neither SS or GSTQ at rugby games. I think you know that by my approach to NI games
RobMc59 wrote: » I remember Billy Bingham as a manager for the team I follow,Everton who were regarded as a Catholic club back then in the 70s and always thought he was a true gentleman,I'm surprised and sceptical about claims he had sectarian views.
steddyeddy wrote: » . I think the unionist community deserve better than to be represented by someone who doesn't even have the conviction to say they're a member of that community.
munsterlegend wrote: » Are you for real? Ira songs? They listened to rebel songs on the way to the match celebrating Irish freedom and that is somehow justification for sectarian bigotry?
munsterlegend wrote: » Every journalist has reported on the greysteel chants. Let’s face it Windsor park was a sectarian cesspit that night as even admitted by north officials. It was reasonable to request to have the match moved given the levels of hatred and location of the stadium. Are you for real? Ira songs? They listened to rebel songs on the way to the match celebrating Irish freedom and that is somehow justification for sectarian bigotry?
