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Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

Jimmy Garlic

Climate saint Greta Trunburg is settling sail for UN climate talks in New York to demand that governments socially engineer and tax the little people into oblivion to save the planet. Accompanied by her film maker father who lives vicariously through her, a filthy rich aristocrat from Monaco and some German bloke the trip will no doubt vastly increase the wattage of her halo before she lectures us all about impending climate Armageddon in New York. Hopefully snaps from the trip will make it into Hello! Magazine.

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MarquisDeSad

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

I feel legitimately sorry for her, she's being exploited and yet she doesn't know that. This modern day version of the Children's Crusade is distasteful and it's distressing that a confused young life is being messed up by parents and other adults who ought to know and do better Its sad to see an autistic 16 year old become some Green poster girl so her parents can rake in the money. Hopefully once her 15 minutes of fame are up she may be able to move onto something better with her life.

That is insulting to anyone reading this intelligence. Are are you really comparing the child crusades to this?. Wtf.

MarquisDeSad

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Your ma

Where did you copy and paste that post though?.

MarquisDeSad

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Climate change is a fact and always has been. The real conspiracy theory is catastrophic anthropogenic global warming (CAGW), a theory that activists have not been able to prove scientifically or use to make reliable predictions especially with regard to temperate levels, weather patterns or sea levels.
The constant predictions of doom by activists have never materialised in the decades they have been pushing their agendas.

One consequence that is measurable though are the taxes collected and the increased costs of energy which works its way into everything we do and has become a wealth redistribution exercise from less well off to those vested interests that gain financially due to the promulgation of the CAGW conspiracy theory.

Jaysus. I'm going to trust the thousand upon thousands of scientists. Thanks.

Tell me how

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I don’t think Greta understands either the science, nor the economics of what she’s talking about, and her interests would be best served by being encouraged to go back to school when the term starts and focus on her studies. Then when she’s older she can engage in all the activism she wants when she has a better understanding of the issues involved herself and isn’t just taking her cues from the adults around her.

I don't think you understand how Greta has helped to drawn attention to the need for action in this space since she started. (Don't say we knew about it already, we did, but were giving in piecemeal attention as the situation escalated)

It's insulting to suggest she needs to wait until she's older when time is such a critical element.

Dakota Dan

odyssey06 wrote: »

The whole Greta circus is based on faux outrage.
This whole enterprise has generated more emissions than an average citizen will in a lifetime.
Her handlers should be in jail for abuse.
She should never have been put on a racing yacht in the Atlantic in hurricane season with no sailing xp.
Anyone who puts her in that position doesnt give two hoots about her or the planet the rest of us live on.

The latest news is that 5 new crew members are taking a flight to NY to sail the boat home.

One eyed Jack

Tell me how wrote: »

One thing we can agree on is that you never have to look too far to find opportunists.

...

Or a million other examples.

But, that does not mean, that the majority of those working with Greta are as self serving. Not even close.

They are serving themselves though because they wouldn’t be where they are either nor would they have the opportunities they have now without Greta. They have to keep Greta going in order to keep gaining from the movement themselves. I think we’re all aware that Greta isn’t going to stop and that’s exactly what they’re banking on too - politicians are getting great exposure from the whole thing too looking like they give a damn about the environment by fawning over Greta and pretending to be interested in anything she has to say.

It’s all genuinely a bit transparent, and it’s unfortunate that a child is being put in that position, and anyone who is critical of the child being put in that position is condemned because nobody wants that golden goose to be slated. The irony of it is that rallying against climate change and capitalism has become a very profitable industry full of opportunities to make money.

Are politicians supposed to take this seriously or something?

The teenage climate activist Greta Thunberg has chided EU leaders for holding three emergency summits on Brexit and none on the threat posed by climate change.

In a clarion call to Europe’s political leaders ahead of European parliament elections in May, the founder of the school strike movement said if politicians were serious about tackling climate change they would not spend all their time “talking about taxes or Brexit”.

Forget Brexit and focus on climate change, Greta Thunberg tells EU

I don’t think Greta understands either the science, nor the economics of what she’s talking about, and her interests would be best served by being encouraged to go back to school when the term starts and focus on her studies. Then when she’s older she can engage in all the activism she wants when she has a better understanding of the issues involved herself and isn’t just taking her cues from the adults around her.

gozunda

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Just looking at videos of the yacht. Pretty impressive feat to get across the Atlantic on such a vessel isn't it? personally I'd need a cruise ship with some pools to pass the two weeks

I don't know looks just perfect for a two week stay...

Tell me how

odyssey06 wrote: »

The whole Greta circus is based on faux outrage.
This whole enterprise has generated more emissions than an average citizen will in a lifetime.
Her handlers should be in jail for abuse.
She should never have been put on a racing yacht in the Atlantic in hurricane season with no sailing xp.
Anyone who puts her in that position doesnt give two hoots about her or the planet the rest of us live on.

Send that to Daily Mail or Spectator and you might end up with a job out of it.

Just the right amount of empty statements with the barely concealed vitriol behind it.

hetuzozaho

Just looking at videos of the yacht. Pretty impressive feat to get across the Atlantic on such a vessel isn't it? personally I'd need a cruise ship with some pools to pass the two weeks

gozunda

Tell me how wrote: »

Maybe if you listened to Greta when she speaks on camera in interviews, you might realise her cognitive strengths instead of expressing outrage over what you deem to be glib statements while packing your post with same. This faux outrage is tiring.

I have watched a bunch of the videos - where she speaks without scripted lines - she comes across in speech etc much like many other youngsters I've listened to public speaking etc. The scripted ones where her father / others have had a hand are quite something else. It's not 'outrage' (sic) to highlight that you appear to claim better knowledge than development experts.

The continued support of this type of illogical stance is truely bizarre.

odyssey06

Tell me how wrote: »

Maybe if you listened to Greta when she speaks on camera in interviews, you might realise her cognitive strengths instead of expressing outrage over what you deem to be glib statements while packing your post with same.
This faux outrage is tiring.

The whole Greta circus is based on faux outrage.
This whole enterprise has generated more emissions than an average citizen will in a lifetime.
Her handlers should be in jail for abuse.
She should never have been put on a racing yacht in the Atlantic in hurricane season with no sailing xp.
Anyone who puts her in that position doesnt give two hoots about her or the planet the rest of us live on.

hetuzozaho

odyssey06 wrote: »

It would be like a charity cycle in aid of AA that culminates in a p*ss up

Ha I imagine this has happened

Tell me how

gozunda wrote: »

And you know better than experts - exactly how? Afaik It's a fairly well known phenomenon of adolescent brain development - so how is that 'insulting' (sic)? Not only is she an adolescent - she also has aspergers.

There is intelligence and full cognitive development - basic biology indicates that the two do not nescesssrily develop consecutively.

Tbh I am fairly astounded that anyone can make such a glib subjective judgement regarding an adolescent regarding competency and 'being in control'.

Tbh It remains bizarre that some are so adamant In their support of her sailing across the Atlantic in a racing boat to attend a conference during hurricane season...

Of note one of the entourage sailing with Greta is a documentary filmmaker named Nathan Grossman - who is there to film the next PR episode of this dog and pony show ...

Maybe if you listened to Greta when she speaks on camera in interviews, you might realise her cognitive strengths instead of expressing outrage over what you deem to be glib statements while packing your post with same.

This faux outrage is tiring.

odyssey06

hetuzozaho wrote: »

I presume the crew are capable
Again I've sponsored cycles were they didn't cycle back - it's nothing unique to this.
I just found the backlash strange as it's quite a common concept for me when it comes to impractical projects to raise awareness.

It depends what you are raising awareness of I think.
If your return flight directly contradicts the purpose of your outward journey leg... then it is self defeating hypocrisy.

It would be like a charity cycle in aid of AA that culminates in a p*ss up when first leg complete.

Tell me how

One eyed Jack wrote: »

That being said, Greta wouldn’t have captured the public consciousness had it not been for the adults I do agree with you she has attracted to herself who are enabling her to do what she’s doing and while Greta herself is making no money from her endeavours, the people involved with her certainly are -

One thing we can agree on is that you never have to look too far to find opportunists.

See US ambassador to Kenya who posted a picture to his twitter account of two fine young Kenyans, whose applications for visa's to visit america were denied.

https://twitter.com/USAmbKenya/status/1143895000121585666

Or the president of the US who posed for a picture after the El Paso shooting of himself and his wife with a baby like it was a campaign photo except the baby had been brought from hospital for the picture after having lost both their parents in the shooting.

Or a million other examples.

But, that does not mean, that the majority of those working with Greta are as self serving. Not even close.

gozunda

Tell me how wrote: »

That is insulting to those who are exceptionally advanced interns of cognitive development.
I'm not suggesting Greta is per say but that she is certainly competent enough to be in control of what has happened to her over the last 12 months.Such studies are understandably speaking in generalities but there also exists those with both reduced and increased development for the age range.

And you know better than experts - exactly how? Afaik It's a fairly well known phenomenon of adolescent brain development - so how is that 'insulting' (sic)? Not only is she an adolescent - she also has aspergers.

There is intelligence and full cognitive development - basic biology indicates that the two do not nescesssrily develop consecutively.

Tell me how wrote:

but that she is certainly competent enough to be in control of what has happened to her over the last 12 months

Tbh I am fairly astounded that anyone can make such a glib subjective judgement of an adolescent regarding competency and 'being in control'.

Tbh It remains bizarre that some are so adamant In their support of her sailing across the Atlantic in a racing boat to attend a conference during hurricane season...

Of note one of the entourage sailing with Greta is a documentary filmmaker named Nathan Grossman - who is there to film the next PR episode of this dog and pony show ...

One eyed Jack

Tell me how wrote: »

OEJ, you are correct that Greta started the strikes after being involved in conversations with Bo amongst others (not that Thoren asked her to strike as such).

From Greta's Facebook

That still strikes me very much as someone working off their own initiative.

Oh yeah Greta is certainly working off her own initiative and I don’t doubt her sincerity in what she believes in. That’s why I say I do admire her dedication at least. It’s clear she is passionate about getting people to change their attitudes and behaviours.

That being said, Greta wouldn’t have captured the public consciousness had it not been for the adults I do agree with you she has attracted to herself who are enabling her to do what she’s doing and while Greta herself is making no money from her endeavours, the people involved with her certainly are -

A Swedish entrepreneur who claims to have been “the first to pay attention to” Swedish child climate activist Greta Thunberg, used her name to bring in almost SEK 10m for a new share issue, according to an investigation by the Svenska Dagbladet newspaper. Ingmar Rentzhog, founder of We Don't Have Time, asked Thunberg in October if she wanted to sit a Youth Advisory Board for his social media start-up We Don't Have Time, which she accepted.

He then used her more than eleven times in the promotional material for a share issue announced on November 27. The prospectus promised investors that the venture, which channels just 10 percent of its profits to a charitable fund, has potential to be "extremely profitable” by creating viral environmental content to pull in money via digital adverts.

Thunberg's father Svante Thunberg told the newspaper that Rentzhog, who has a background in financial PR, had never informed the family that her name would be used. “No, we haven't received any information about that. Neither has Greta,” he told the newspaper. “It is unfortunate if she was used commercially. But she hasn't known anything about this. None of us have known this.”

Rentzhog founded the company in 2017, aiming to create “the world´s largest social network for climate action". On the same day that Thunberg started her school strike last August, he came with a freelance photographer, posting her photo on his Facebook page and Instagram account, and making a video in English that he posted on the company's YouTube channel.

The film has been watched almost 88 000 times.

In the 120-page prospectus, the company makes a claim to have discovered Thunberg.

Start-up used teen climate activist to raise millions: Swedish paper

hetuzozaho

odyssey06 wrote: »

It might if...
It wasnt hurricane season.
You had serious sailing experience or were capable of crewing the yacht.
You werent planning on flying back.
You werent flying crew over just so they could sail the yacht back.

I presume the crew are capable

Again I've sponsored cycles were they didn't cycle back - it's nothing unique to this.

I just found the backlash strange as it's quite a common concept for me when it comes to impractical projects to raise awareness.

odyssey06

hetuzozaho wrote: »

I was actually more, sailing to the climate change summit on the other side of the ocean, meh makes sense haha

It might if...
It wasnt hurricane season.
You had serious sailing experience or were capable of crewing the yacht.
You werent planning on flying back.
You werent flying crew over just so they could sail the yacht back.

Pa ElGrande

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hetuzozaho

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It wasn’t hard to understand that I was saying I think the whole idea of how they’re going about raising awareness of climate change is stupid. ....

To me it just seemed a good way to get media coverage and raise awareness. I even feel its been done before or something similar?
Obviously there are more practical ways to travel but generally raising awareness tends to be something like this no? People go on impractical cycles, cycling to electric picnic

etc.
And it taking a while keeps it in the media each day. From a raising awareness point of view it's going quite well.

I was actually more, sailing to the climate change summit on the other side of the ocean, meh makes sense haha

Tell me how

One eyed Jack wrote: »

How is it a falsehood? She was chosen by adults as she was approached by Bo Thoren who suggested a school strike -

Then in May 2018, Thunberg won a writing competition about the environment held by Svenska Dagbladet, a Swedish newspaper. The paper published her article after which she was contacted by Bo Thorén from Fossil Free Dalsland, a group interested in doing something about climate change. Thunberg attended a few of their meetings, and at one of them, Thoren also suggested that school children could strike for climate change. Thunberg tried to persuade other young people to get involved but "no one was really interested" so eventually, she decided to go ahead with the strike by herself.

From Greta Thunberg Wikipedia page

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You make an assertion without evidence and then ask for evidence? And please don’t cite Wikipedia.

OEJ, you are correct that Greta started the strikes after being involved in conversations with Bo amongst others (not that Thoren asked her to strike as such).

From Greta's Facebook

Many people love to spread rumors saying that I have people ”behind me” or that I’m being ”paid” or ”used” to do what I’m doing. But there is no one ”behind” me except for myself. My parents were as far from climate activists as possible before I made them aware of the situation.
I am not part of any organization. I sometimes support and cooperate with several NGOs that work with the climate and environment. But I am absolutely independent and I only represent myself. And I do what I do completely for free, I have not received any money or any promise of future payments in any form at all. And nor has anyone linked to me or my family done so.

That still strikes me very much as someone working off their own initiative.

odyssey06

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

I feel legitimately sorry for her, she's being exploited and yet she doesn't know that. This modern day version of the Children's Crusade is distasteful and it's distressing that a confused young life is being messed up by parents and other adults who ought to know and do better Its sad to see an autistic 16 year old become some Green poster girl so her parents can rake in the money. Hopefully once her 15 minutes of fame are up she may be able to move onto something better with her life.

As you say... A modern version of the Childrens Crusade.
It is morally disgusting the way this girl is being abused in this manner
Parental abuse.
Should be taken into care.
Zero chance of that with such connected parents.
Anyone who encourages this riduculous stunt is complicit in parental abuse.

One eyed Jack

hetuzozaho wrote: »

I've understood your posts.

You have said if she was an adult you would find it stupid and when I asked what would be stupid about it you said bringing a child is the stupid thing about it.
In the scenario where she is an adult there is no child.

I was asking you what is stupid about adults sailing to the UN climate change summit to raise awareness about climate change. No children involved remember.

Thanks for your patience .

You’re being incredibly disingenuous there. It wasn’t hard to understand that I was saying I think the whole idea of how they’re going about raising awareness of climate change is stupid. There are millions of other ways to do it, and there are more practical ways to travel than sailing across the Atlantic in a yacht. I do get it of course that the idea is because the child won’t travel by air, but why does she need to travel at all? The adults could travel, I’d still think it was stupid, but at least they wouldn’t be putting a child at risk.

Does that make sense?

Pa ElGrande

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You will find it’s exactly the other way round in reality.

I feel legitimately sorry for her, she's being exploited and yet she doesn't know that. This modern day version of the Children's Crusade is distasteful and it's distressing that a confused young life is being messed up by parents and other adults who ought to know and do better Its sad to see an autistic 16 year old become some Green poster girl so her parents can rake in the money. Hopefully once her 15 minutes of fame are up she may be able to move onto something better with her life.

SafeSurfer

Tell me how wrote: »

Based on what evidence. She went on strike from school on her own for a number of months before anyone heard of her.

You make an assertion without evidence and then ask for evidence? And please don’t cite Wikipedia.

One eyed Jack

Tell me how wrote: »

This is a falsehood.

She was not chosen by adults. She led by example and attracted the adults to her, you're suggesting as if they auditioned for a child and choose her.

How is it a falsehood? She was chosen by adults as she was approached by Bo Thoren who suggested a school strike -

Then in May 2018, Thunberg won a writing competition about the environment held by Svenska Dagbladet, a Swedish newspaper. The paper published her article after which she was contacted by Bo Thorén from Fossil Free Dalsland, a group interested in doing something about climate change. Thunberg attended a few of their meetings, and at one of them, Thoren also suggested that school children could strike for climate change. Thunberg tried to persuade other young people to get involved but "no one was really interested" so eventually, she decided to go ahead with the strike by herself.

From Greta Thunberg Wikipedia page

Tell me how

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You will find it’s exactly the other way round in reality.

Based on what evidence. She went on strike from school on her own for a number of months before anyone heard of her.

hetuzozaho

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Yes, I remember.

I have tremendous patience with someone who doesn’t appear to understand what I’m saying, but I’m wondering is there a point you’re trying to make?

I've understood your posts.

You have said if she was an adult you would find it stupid and when I asked what would be stupid about it you said bringing a child is the stupid thing about it.
In the scenario where she is an adult there is no child.

I was asking you what is stupid about adults sailing to the UN climate change summit to raise awareness about climate change. No children involved remember.

Thanks for your patience .

Tell me how

gozunda wrote: »

https://brainconnection.brainhq.com/2013/03/20/decision-making-is-still-a-work-in-progress-for-teenagers/

That is insulting to those who are exceptionally advanced interns of cognitive development.

I'm not suggesting Greta is per say but that she is certainly competent enough to be in control of what has happened to her over the last 12 months.

Such studies are understandably speaking in generalities but there also exists those with both reduced and increased development for the age range.