Strazdas wrote: » It depends who 'they' are. Apparently Macron was very annoyed about the October extension and didn't want to give it and had to be persuaded to do so by Merkel and a few others. But he sent the clear message out that he has had enough and wants no more extensions after this. There's a story he told Varadkar to ramp up his preparations for No Deal at that meeting.
Lackadaisical wrote: » I don’t think it’ll convince Macron. It’s just going to be “see!! I told you so.”
BluePlanet wrote: » I had read somewhere that there were ranklings in some quarters that the WA already offered Britain too much access. It's madness they turned it down, they won't get a better deal, ever.
Sand wrote: » They really wont. I've seen the point made that the WA was governed by Article 50 so only requires a majority of member states to pass. Whereas if they exit no-deal, an agreement with a third country requires 100% ratification by all member-states, including Belgium with its regional parliaments which almost sunk the Canadian deal. The British will need to appease each and every interest in each and every EU member state. The British have truly squandered any and all opportunities they may have had. Brexit is necessary to force a hard reset of the insular, navel gazing nonsense that passes for British politics. It will be a hard, sharp shock and the impact will be brutal but sometimes you have to hit rock bottom to change.
correct horse battery staple wrote: » Brexit is a revolution (of the ignorant). Like most revolutions in history it is being hijacked and the common man will be the one to suffer the most. By this stage the only way this will end is for Brexit to become a dirty word like communism became in most of Europe (unfortunately it took 70 years for that to collapse under its weight of contradictions)
J Mysterio wrote: » How about this for a story. Brexiteers used the 'threat of Turkey joining EU' to encourage a Leave vote. Now, because of that Leave vote, and with the damage it has caused, they are hoping the 'Turkish Army Fund' might buy British Steel to save it! BBC News: Turkish army pension fund to buy British Steel
Strazdas wrote: » It's a quite bizarre revolution though in that it is led by the privileged and the elite (Johnson, Gove, Davis, Raab, Farage, Rees-Mogg, Banks, Cummings etc) Where was the working class movement for Brexit in the years up to 2016? Many (most?) of its most fanatical followers seem to be conservative and middle class.
PropJoe10 wrote: » Well, Ken is up for it: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49372525 Long way to go before that situation becomes a reality but I think he'd be an excellent choice. And is retiring soon so not a threat to anyone long-term.
serfboard wrote: » As always, the timeless quote from Yes, Minister applies: This is coming from the top of the German government and is communicating the following to the British: Away with your threatening no-deal, because we're fully prepared to let you go through with it.
Foghladh wrote: » You think that British Steels problems started with the 2016 Referendum?
J Mysterio wrote: » The economic repercussions of the Brexit death march certainly havent helped, but that's not really my main point. More that a Turkish group - connected to the Army no less - is looking to save British steel manufacturing from insolvency. Im aware that succesive governments have failed to support British manufacturing more generally. My point here is that the current government seem happy enough with the Turkish Army buying out British Steel, despite the nasty rhetoric.
Melanchthon wrote: » Germany really isn't prepared for a no deal with the current economic climate, there is a standard reply to this is which is "Oh but the UK will collapse and they will be splitting peoples heads open to feast on the goo inside, its like shooting yourself in the head etc etc etc" Fact is though this is not that relevant, at the minute no deal is the default outcome because of whats actually been voted through parliament. Something has to be offered even if its just to save face and Macron will have to non make any combative statements for a few weeks because some sort of deal is needed. Germany is not healthy economically at the minute and only the most willfully blind will ignore this but it will be ignored and the standard replies will be given.
Foghladh wrote: » It appeared to be your main point because your post said it was 'because of'. You risk going down the Jamie Oliver line where he shut down restaurants because of Brexit and other businesses set up in place and are doing quite well. Brexit will be the greatest excuse of this decade
Roger_007 wrote: » Most British working class are conservative with a small 'c'. Many Labour voters, (especially the older generation), tend to be socially conservative. They still regard the aristocracy and the monied classes as their 'betters'. They worship Churchill who was virulently anti union and anti working class. They worship the royal family who epitomise inherited wealth and privilege. Is it any wonder that they followed the advice of the upper-class 'little englanders', (who will not suffer financially), and voted for Brexit.
BonnieSituation wrote: » And you don't think Brexit is having an effect and hastening the demise of certain businesses? What businesses are doing quite well in place of his restaurants?
Foghladh wrote: » Well where I live The Ivy set up in the same location and is booked out most evenings.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » I think the EU have enough now. Johnson will told what to do with himself in Paris and Berlin.
gooch2k9 wrote: » Why does it always fall to the EU to have to make changes and offers? In what way have the UK moved during any of the negotiations?
Varta wrote: » Melanchthon wrote: » Germany really isn't prepared for a no deal with the current economic climate, there is a standard reply to this is which is "Oh but the UK will collapse and they will be splitting peoples heads open to feast on the goo inside, its like shooting yourself in the head etc etc etc" Fact is though this is not that relevant, at the minute no deal is the default outcome because of whats actually been voted through parliament. Something has to be offered even if its just to save face and Macron will have to non make any combative statements for a few weeks because some sort of deal is needed. Germany is not healthy economically at the minute and only the most willfully blind will ignore this but it will be ignored and the standard replies will be given. If Germany's economy is in some degree of difficulty it has nothing to do with the Brits. Nothing will be offered. Stop deluding yourself. Only Brits will split open brit heads to feast on the goo but, thankfully, they are on an island and the rest of us need not worry.
prawnsambo wrote: » It doesn't matter what is offered. It will immediately be greeted with another obstacle. The sows ear of brexit will never transform into a silk purse. And that's been the problem since the beginning. Nothing will ever match either the promises that were made or square the circle that brexit; once defined, will ever be acceptable. Which is why no deal is the de facto end point. It maintains the illusion without anyone having to admit that it was a crap idea to start with.
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » Not to be a naysayer but I’m not seeing the question asked here by our media, but where are these checks going to take place and how? Listening to that bbc report Kermit posted yesterday and loathe as I am to admit it, sammy bloody Wilson pointed out these checks already do happen. I get that we need to establish and get the British to agree to regulatory alignment for NI at least but I can’t see that happening in the short term. It is ireland that’s going to have to do the dirty work after the 31st, if the Brits do indeed leave. But then the onus and pressure is on us for the border no?
Melanchthon wrote: » That's my point, the German economy is wobbly now before Brexit, brexit would of course harm UK more but it will hit key German sectors to a certain extent. Why do you think in general Merkel has played good cop compared to others because this is understood. This sub is very very ideologically pro-EU but I don't get how posters here don't understand how statements by Macron and Junker both pretty unpopular individuals themselves and leaks particularly the big one probably by Martin Selymar play straight into the ERG's hands. The requirement of DUP support is the issue on UK side and that was a screw up offer Borris (without leaking it first) something like 2-5 year limit on backstop for the WA end of which would trigger a immediate NI border/status poll and I believe it would pass with labour rebel support.
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