ArielAtom wrote: » I really love the way the main posters have as yet come up with a plan, they merely whinge. Come up with a plan, present to your club, present it to you county board and get it put forward at congress. But firstly you need to be a member of the association. Otherwise you have zero right to put a proposal forward.
largepants wrote: » I'm not being badly stung at all. The fact of the matter is that Darcy played with Leitrim before Dublin. Why focus on Darcy? No mention of the other players I mentioned? If you had any GAA knowledge you'd know that Brian Lacey, Karl O'Dwyer and Brian Murphy were/are involved in Kildare GAA long after they retired. But that doesn't suit your 'ridiculous argument' does it?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » How are Dublin totally dominant who won the all-irleland club in three of the last four years? Who won five in a row minors? Who won the u20 competition in the last two years? Who won the league in the last two years?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I decided to go over the Dublin AI teams to see the players that are still there and play regularly - either as sub or starting 15.2011 - 10 players from nearly a decade ago are still there are in starting or as a sub. The ones in blue are still regular in the interest of fairness I left out DC. (This team was lucky to win the AI in my view against the run of play - but it was the inspiration of what was to follow)S. Cluxton, C. O’Sullivan, R. O’Carroll, M. Fitzsimons, J. McCarthy, G. Brennan, K. Nolan, D. Bastick,MD. MacAuley, P. Flynn, B. Cahill, B. Cullen, A. Brogan, D. Connolly, B. Brogan. Subs: P. McMahon for McCarthy, K. McManamon for Flynn, E. O’Gara for Cahill, E. Fennell for Bastick.2013 - McCaffery, Killkenny, Cooper, Mannion, Andrews, Rock, and Daly were added. Daly hampered by injuries since unfortunately - but an exceptional group of to come through.That is seven players added. They took the 2011 old core to the next level - this is the once in a generation group of lads in my view S Cluxton, P. McMahon, R. O’Carroll, J Cooper, J McCarthy, G Brennan, J McCaffrey, MD. MacAuley, C O’Sullivan, P. Flynn, C Kilkenny, D Connolly, P Mannion, P Andrews, B. Brogan. Subs: E. O’Gara for Mannion, Darren Daly for McCaffrey, Dean Rock for Kilkenny, K. McManamon for Andrews, D. Bastick for Cooper2015 -Two players were added - Raheny's/Maybe Dublin's greatest player of all time Fenton, and John Small from the Mun. S Cluxton; J Cooper, R. O’Carroll, P. McMahon; J McCarthy, C O’Sullivan, J McCaffrey; B. Fenton, D. Bastick; P. Flynn, D Connolly, C Kilkenny; P Andrews, D Rock, B. Brogan. Subs: K. McManamon for Rock, MD. MacAuley for Bastick, M. Fitzsimons for Cooper, J Small for McCaffrey, D Daly for O'Sullivan, A. Brogan for Fenton2016 -Two players added. A sprinkling of Royal County was added which obviously made all the difference in Lowndes. Who is a fringe player. The zip and trickery of Costello was added - after years of injury hampered seasons - but he won the game with his three points. Interestingly Both were dual players and were part of the 2011 Minor hurling and football teams. Costello was the pick of them along with Kilkenny - (another dual star). Though Rock has won the battle over Costello in the starting 15 it seems. S Cluxton, P McMahon, J Copper, M Fitzsimons, J McCarthy, C O’Sullivan, J Small, B. Fenton, P. Flynn, P Andrews, K. McManamon, C Kilkenny, D Rock, D Connolly, P Mannion.Subs: D Byrne for Cooper, B. Brogan for Andrews, MD. MacAuley for Mannion, C Costello for McManamon, E Lowndes for Small, D Daly for O’Sullivan.2017 -Two players were addedCon O'Callaghan who was marked out as a dual superstar at underage - another loss to the senior hurlers. And the find that surprised everyone Niall Scully from Templeogue- who was 'found' from an O'Byrne cup run. S Cluxton, J Copper, P McMahon, M Fitzsimons, J Small, C O’Sullivan, J McCaffrey, B. Fenton, J McCarthy, C Kilkenny, D Rock, C O'Callaghan, P Andrews, E. O’Gara, P Mannion Subs: P. Flynn for McCaffrey, D Connolly for Andrews, K. McManamon for O'Gara, B. Brogan for Paul Flynn, N Scully for O'Callaghan, C Costello for Mannion.2018 -Two players added. The tigerish Murchan was added from Na Fianna last year, and another Raheny Rolls Royce Brian Howard - Maybe Raheny's best player? The funny part is the rest of that Raheny team is no great shakes bar Howard/Fenton. The rest are now veterans of Dublin's 2011 minors. Stephen Cluxton; Philly McMahon, Jonny Cooper, Eoin Murchan; John Small, Cian O’Sullivan, Jack McCaffrey; Brian Fenton, James McCarthy; Niall Scully, Con O’Callaghan, Brian Howard; Paul Mannion, Ciaran Kilkenny, Dean Rock. Subs: Michael Fitzsimons for Cian O’Sullivan (27), Cormac Costello for Niall Scully (53), Kevin McManamon for Paul Mannion (58), Darren Daly for Eoin Murchan (58), Eric Lowndes for Jonny Cooper (64), Michael Darragh MacAuley for Dean Rock (67). So what can I see from this. Dublin are still reliant on the core from the 2011 team -ten/eleven players The 2013 influx was an exceptional group. Those seven players make added make up the majority of the panel as we have it now. And after that Dublin were blessed to find Scully, Howard, Fenton, Con O'Callaghan in particular. But a further three things are clear - 1) The senior hurlers are losing players - Kilkenny, Costello, Con O'Callaghan, E.Lowndes. 2) The number of players coming through is not the same as the 2013 group - 3) Dublin are not doing as well at underage - take this year for example. Dublin have not won this years minor walloped by Mayo in the QF - didn't even make the semis! And made eejits of themselves in the u20 final where they collapsed against Cork - when they had a huge lead
largepants wrote: » Oh so that's how Dublin got all their money. A few anonymous boards posters came up with a plan and presented it to their club (was it Boards GFC or what?) who brought it forward to a county board somewhere. Ehh right. Meanwhile you have a whinge about other people whinging.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Dublin happily gave Darcy to Leitrim - let him go under the grandparent/parent rule which is designed to help Leitrim. It was nice of them - Darcy grew up in Dublin - Sandymount D4 . But put his father's home address down so he could play for Aughawillian. He was not living or working in Leitrim.
threeball wrote: » Ye rarely make the semis at underage in either code, lets be honest. Theres counties that are nearly always knocking around there, Cork and Galway in football and hurling, Kerry and Mayo in the football, Kilkenny and tipp in the hurling. Dublin make the odd appearence every few years but its just as likely Laois, Meath or Kildare. Then at u20 it miraculously gets turned on its head and its Dublin nearly every year. How does that happen do you think?
bucketybuck wrote: » :rolleyes: You make a long list of the squad changes in the Dublin senior football team, I respond by pointing out that those changes are exactly what should be expected, and this is your response? Good lad, well done.
ArielAtom wrote: » And there you go!!!!!! Point proven, bitch online rather than doing something about it. My wording was love it, not a whinge.
largepants wrote: » Nothing to do with the original point. The others still not addressed either. Remember to take your head out of the sand when you need to breathe.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Attacking the poster - that must mean I have made a good point sense you did not have a decent reply.
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » The starting 15 is far more relevant when talking about turnover of players. Brogan, O'Gara and O'Carroll are not good enough to make the squad for serious games anymore. They were included for the sham friendly match with Tyrone which no-one treated seriously.
ciarang85 wrote: » Nearly every year? 5 all-irelands since 1964 is nearly every year is it? Good man yourself
RoyalCelt wrote: » Telling you your head is in the sand isn't an attack. Unless we're going by Joe McQuillan rules. In that case penalty to Dublin.
threeball wrote: » When were the majority of them won genius. If you're trying to deflect at least be intelligent about it.
ciarang85 wrote: » I count it as 7,2,2 & 3 year gaps You still counting it as every year? genius....
gormdubhgorm wrote: » So you do not want to adress my previous post
bucketybuck wrote: » I directly responded to your lengthy post 1097 about the Dublin senior team and commented on the implications of what you had said. Rather than respond in kind you first deflected onto other teams and now for some reason want me to go back to a different post altogether. No wonder threads like this devolve into the same few posters pulling the same tired old crap.
RoyalCelt wrote: » Did Dublin fans have to do this 15 years ago? When bertie decided to give you millions or the GAA came up with the special hurling fund did they all start from Dublin fans doing the above? It's been well documented counties like Fermanagh came up with a plan looking for a modest amount of money and they were declined.
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » gorm, I'm perfectly willing to look at the overall squad and how it has changed. But Brogan, O'Gara and O'Carroll are not in the squad, except for the sham game in Omagh. These guys are long past their sell by date and Gavin only played them to give them one final send off. They were never in his plans. The squad against Mayo would be more relevant.
Beechwoodspark wrote: » I have given the plan many times on this thread and other thread Have a read through my posts. The main part of the plan is to REDUCE funding for Dublin. REDISTRIBUTE the funding and SPLIT Dublin into 4. There you go. There’s the plan.
