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Second Captains

ballsymchugh

Thought I'd update the OP with links and stuff for anyone who stumbles across this.

The former Off the Ball hosts have partnered with The Irish Times to do a series of weekly podcasts. They go online each Tuesday and cover a variety of sports, with a number of contributors including Sid Lowe, Richie Sadlier, Gerry Thornley and Shane Horgan.

They can be found:
On The Irish Times' site: http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/second-captains
On Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/secondcaptains-it-com
On iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ie/podcast/second-captains-irish-times/id647893016?mt=2

Or if you prefer not to use iTunes for your podcasts, use this link in whatever app you use (Thanks to youcancallmeal): http://feeds.feedburner.com/secondcaptainsitcom

And here are their Twitter and Facebook accounts.

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wnolan1992

so they're almost finished their gardening leave...

where will they end up?

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dulux99

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

If you can prove you haven’t listened to any of the gaa podcasts can you get a partial refund from second captains/patreon ?

Wow.

Jeez mate if you're that stuck I'll set up a standing order to refund you the roughly €2 a month you feel your being cheated out of.

The Peter O'Mahony interview was so bad it was good. I'm glad they were able to laugh about how bad it was!

Beersmith

MercuryBoy wrote: »

Yeah, and it's definitely better than the likes of the Totally Football Show with the Paddy Power sponsorship...It's just that the content (other than Ken Early) isn't that much different from the other popular football podcasts out there... same guests etc

I listen to both. Wouldn't agree that that the paddy power thing is bad. I mean i dont pay for content and skip the ads. Its actually more hassle trying to skip the several second captains audio beds in every episode.

Also the TFS doesn't have stupid hot keys. Much prefer the SC lads but TFS isn't to be sneared at.

tomwaits48

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

I don’t think that’s a correct analogy.... if the bar man serverd your 4/5 of a Guinness pint (football content) along with 1/5 of a cider pint (gaa content).... you would be more then entitled to ask for partial refund or at least a full pint of Guinness

Seriously?

MercuryBoy

StockTwat29 wrote: »

I think they mean independent as in they are their own bosses, they're not owned by some big company, they don't have sponsors, that sort of stuff

Yeah, and it's definitely better than the likes of the Totally Football Show with the Paddy Power sponsorship...It's just that the content (other than Ken Early) isn't that much different from the other popular football podcasts out there... same guests etc

deisedude

Google the definition of "independent" and you get the following

free from outside control; not subject to another's authority.
not depending on another for livelihood or subsistence.

Independent journalism simply means they have full creative control and nobody is telling them what to do or paying their wages

Its fairly groundbreaking what they have done. There isn't too many podcasts making money from a subscription model out there

RedRochey

I think they mean independent as in they are their own bosses, they're not owned by some big company, they don't have sponsors, that sort of stuff

elefant

MercuryBoy wrote: »

Fair enough but they generally talk about the Premiership and I haven't heard them take any extreme/independent viewpoint on much in the last few years, when they initially started the Patreon thing it was pitched as an anti-tote to the world of fake news etc which in retrospect seems a bit OTT, maybe "independent entertainment" would be more appropriate... Still a great listen though...

Extreme isn't a synonym for Independent.

Independent journalism doesn't mean what you think it does.

MercuryBoy

Raisins wrote: »

I don’t think it’s really a spoof it’s not about exclusive stories. The lads are free to be as critical as they want to be on any topic and to select any guests they want to have on any topic. The other pods don’t have that luxury. Look at newstalk banning any journalists from the Irish Times. The GAA hour doing all the odds on matches etc is pathetic given the damage gambling does to the GAA. Do you think the GAA hour would have oisin mcconville on? Places like the Irish Times and Guardian are the closest in terms of independence but they will use their own journalists almost all the time. The lads are not bound by any of that which improves the content in a practical way.

Fair enough but they generally talk about the Premiership and I haven't heard them take any extreme/independent viewpoint on much in the last few years, when they initially started the Patreon thing it was pitched as an anti-dote to the world of fake news etc which in retrospect seems a bit OTT, maybe "independent entertainment" would be more appropriate... Still a great listen though...

Beersmith

Raisins wrote: »

Not true the lads go on about mourinho/ pep etc but they also analyse the games and the tactics in the sport itself. You wouldn’t ever have guys like Johnathan Wilson or Tim Vickery or Michael Cox or Rory Smith as guests if you weren’t interested in discussing that side of the game.

How can you argue that Rugby and GAA are more likely than soccer to bore those not interested in those games? People who are not interested in soccer generally despise the wall to wall coverage they don’t love “the gossip or opinionated stuff”. If you’ve decided you’re not interested in a sport you probably won’t enjoy a discussion about it.

You’re a soccer fan who wants more soccer chat it’s as simple as that but the lads are running a sports podcast which suits a lot of Irish people that track multiple sports and have a passing interest in others. There’s loads of soccer pods if that’s what you want.

Second captains barely ever talk about the games, its only about the stories of the managers etc. Who said what afterwards.

Raisins

MercuryBoy wrote: »

hankless wrote: »

it's a solid journalistic investment.

I always found the "independent journalism" schtick a bit of a spoof, they aren't breaking exclusive stories or anything, it's usually just the lads talking about the events of the weekend (which is grand)

I don’t think it’s really a spoof it’s not about exclusive stories. The lads are free to be as critical as they want to be on any topic and to select any guests they want to have on any topic. The other pods don’t have that luxury. Look at newstalk banning any journalists from the Irish Times. The GAA hour doing all the odds on matches etc is pathetic given the damage gambling does to the GAA. Do you think the GAA hour would have oisin mcconville on? Places like the Irish Times and Guardian are the closest in terms of independence but they will use their own journalists almost all the time. The lads are not bound by any of that which improves the content in a practical way.

MercuryBoy

hankless wrote: »

it's a solid journalistic investment.

I always found the "independent journalism" schtick a bit of a spoof, they aren't breaking exclusive stories or anything, it's usually just the lads talking about the events of the weekend (which is grand)

Arghus

I presumed the OP was joking when he posted about wanting a discount.

Trent Houseboat

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

I don’t think that’s a correct analogy.... if the bar man serverd your 4/5 of a Guinness pint (football content) along with 1/5 of a cider pint (gaa content).... you would be more then entitled to ask for partial refund or at least a full pint of Guinness

No, if you'd signed up to a football podcast, and had gotten a mixture of football and other sports your analogy might work. Or if you didn't want to pay for political podcasts you'd have a point, but since they're once every two months of, it's closer to getting a Guinness head on your eighth pint of cider (I know a person who used to drink this).

dr.kenneth noisewater

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

I'll often ask the bar man in my local for a partial refund if I don't finish my pint. I should only be paying for what I drink.

I don’t think that’s a correct analogy.... if the bar man serverd your 4/5 of a Guinness pint (football content) along with 1/5 of a cider pint (gaa content).... you would be more then entitled to ask for partial refund or at least a full pint of Guinness

Its sports podcast not a soccer one. If the Totally Football Show started doing one show a week on GAA then I'd understand where you're coming from maybe

EltonJohn69

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

I'll often ask the bar man in my local for a partial refund if I don't finish my pint. I should only be paying for what I drink.

I don’t think that’s a correct analogy.... if the bar man serverd your 4/5 of a Guinness pint (football content) along with 1/5 of a cider pint (gaa content).... you would be more then entitled to ask for partial refund or at least a full pint of Guinness

hankless

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

I'll often ask the bar man in my local for a partial refund if I don't finish my pint. I should only be paying for what I drink.

I bring a weighing scales with me and insist the barman provides 473.176475 grams (a pint) of beer.

If 473.176475 grams doesn't fit in the glass I am obviously entitled to reimbursement for the over-spill.

Raoul

StockTwat29 wrote: »

The way some people are giving out about the GAA shows it's clear that they don't even listen to them and are happy to just disregard them

Thought the GAA shows have been good enough this year, not Duignans biggest fan but love the two football lads, Murph is very passionate about it and does add a bit to the discussions (will admit that sometimes he doesn't add much to other discussions and tries to be too funny)

One thing that did annoy me a bit was that Mayo seemed to be the main talking point of most shows, yes they usually have the best stories but it gets a bit repetitive

There wasn't much else worthwhile talking about was there? It's been an awfully boring championship, the Mayo Donegal match being about the only memorable game.

Brock Turnpike

Still Ill wrote: »

Ah, lads.. We all knew what we were signing up for. It's a general sports podcast.. Listen to the bits that interest you and if you feel like you're not getting your fiver's worth then maybe have an extra pint every month instead or something.

I'll often ask the bar man in my local for a partial refund if I don't finish my pint. I should only be paying for what I drink.

Still Ill

Ah, lads.. We all knew what we were signing up for. It's a general sports podcast.. Listen to the bits that interest you and if you feel like you're not getting your fiver's worth then maybe have an extra pint every month instead or something.

RedRochey

The way some people are giving out about the GAA shows it's clear that they don't even listen to them and are happy to just disregard them

Thought the GAA shows have been good enough this year, not Duignans biggest fan but love the two football lads, Murph is very passionate about it and does add a bit to the discussions (will admit that sometimes he doesn't add much to other discussions and tries to be too funny)

One thing that did annoy me a bit was that Mayo seemed to be the main talking point of most shows, yes they usually have the best stories but it gets a bit repetitive

Raisins

kilns wrote: »

How often do they really go deep into the analysis of a football game, it is usually based around transfers and potential moves or the cult of personality within the current game (Mourinho, Neymar, Ronaldo etc)

GAA does not have that and therefore what can only be discussed are the games itself and if you dont have a vested interest then it wont interest you, whereas the football stuff is interesting as it more gossip and opininated stuff

Whereas Rugby is mostly a pure tactic conversation which can bore those not interested in the game

Not true the lads go on about mourinho/ pep etc but they also analyse the games and the tactics in the sport itself. You wouldn’t ever have guys like Johnathan Wilson or Tim Vickery or Michael Cox or Rory Smith as guests if you weren’t interested in discussing that side of the game.

How can you argue that Rugby and GAA are more likely than soccer to bore those not interested in those games? People who are not interested in soccer generally despise the wall to wall coverage they don’t love “the gossip or opinionated stuff”. If you’ve decided you’re not interested in a sport you probably won’t enjoy a discussion about it.

You’re a soccer fan who wants more soccer chat it’s as simple as that but the lads are running a sports podcast which suits a lot of Irish people that track multiple sports and have a passing interest in others. There’s loads of soccer pods if that’s what you want.

Beersmith

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Does Klopp actually eats peas ?

Mad man!

EltonJohn69

Does Klopp actually eats peas ?

thenightman

kippy wrote: »

You can't be serious. I enjoy any type of sports coverage by these lads, mainly due to the humour/craic. Theres plenty soccer coverage out there as things stand. Very little of it is actually focused on the soccer itself but more on the managers and BS that goes on around the sport as the sport itself is generally a boring game played by overpaid and uninterested professionals.
Who really cares if Mourinho fell out with the physio or if Kloop eats peas?

Rather hear about Klopp atin peas than Murph's auld wan making 'de hang sandwiches' or whatever parochial republic of telly level guff she does be on about!

corwill

This thread regularly leaves me puzzled.

kippy

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

I wouldn’t mind paying the full €5 if there were 4-5 football podcasts in addition to the gaa podcast... but the fact that there is only 2 dedicated football podcasts and a gaa podcast ...its basically an insane setup....

You can't be serious. I enjoy any type of sports coverage by these lads, mainly due to the humour/craic. Theres plenty soccer coverage out there as things stand. Very little of it is actually focused on the soccer itself but more on the managers and BS that goes on around the sport as the sport itself is generally a boring game played by overpaid and uninterested professionals.
Who really cares if Mourinho fell out with the physio or if Kloop eats peas?

thenightman

Happy paying for the football shows, players chair and political pods as well as the odd bonus interview they do with the likes of Richard Dunne etc.

If there was an option to pay less for no gah podcasts (& no murph haha!) I'd jump on it, as my opinion of gah was formed by pricks in school and college getting away with murder cos they were "good GAA men" and I find the games themselves incredibly boring. But realistically the lads have a good thing going and aren't going to complicate their pricing strategy.

tomwaits48

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

If you can prove you haven’t listened to any of the gaa podcasts can you get a partial refund from second captains/patreon ?

we have a scumbag of the week right here.

The Davestator

I like their GAA football but not their GAA hurling coverage.
Love watching rugby, but cant listen to it being talked about either by pundits or players.
Each to their own and great value for me

Still Ill

Arghus wrote: »

No. No complaints from me either in the value for money stakes - more than happy to support the boys for a fiver a month. It is good value.

Absolutely.. Happy to support them. Don't spend many better fivers every month. I just skip the GAA stuff and a decent amount of the rugby stuff. I'm in it mainly for the football, but am happy to listen the the other bits that they have on from other sports too.