blanch152 wrote: » It is logical to support the Irish language as a way of maintaining our heritage. However the things we do - putting all signs in Irish, requiring court services to be provided in Irish, making the Irish version of legislation supreme, compulsory Irish in schools etc - they do nothing to support Irish, instead they create resentment against the language, they pigeon-hole it as a burden rather than a benefit.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » DC knows who has the most to lose if there's a crackdown on parades and all that shite. Just imagine if Republicans decided to match Unionists parade-for-parade in the Summer in the north? The place would grind to a halt and Unionists would wreck the place.
citytillidie wrote: » If SF can't have their hungry strike commemorations then Orange Order and Apprentice Boys of Derry along with all those bands should not be allowed to parade
RobMc59 wrote: » According to this article a number of bands have withdrawn support for the apprentice boys.https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/loyalist-bands-withdraw-support-for-apprentice-boys-following-derry-soldier-f-controversy-38404666.html
janfebmar wrote: » Have SF said sorry for their carry on in Strabane yet, dancing on the spot where a small protestant child was murdered and glorifying terrorists?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Can you or downcow tell us how you know it was the exact spot even? It is laughable that those who will call the burning of effigies of recently dead people 'culture' or who can not see that marching into a city in support of a soldier who has confessed to killing is also 'culture require the other side to check through the entire history of the conflict to make sure nobody has died on or near the spot where you decide to have a spontaneous dance. I am sure somebody must have been drooling when they found that poor child in the archives. By all means criticise the internment bonfires, they deserve that, in the strongest tones. But this spurious exploitative nonsense will wither on the vine as more, 'look at themuns' excuse making.
janfebmar wrote: » Locals there do not have to go through archives to find where Republicans murdered their loved ones, it is still in their memories. You have not answered the question: have SF said sorry yet? Never mind your excuses about "themuns" in Derry.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » Just imagine if Republicans decided to match Unionists parade-for-parade in the Summer in the north? The place would grind to a halt and Unionists would wreck the place.
Berserker wrote: » What would they march about? Republicans trump Unionists and then some, when it comes to wrecking the place.
gwalk wrote: » Good
FrancieBrady wrote: » In the 20 years since a negotiated settlement? I would doubt that tbh.
Berserker wrote: » Any stats to back that up?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Flegs - and parade nonsense every single year from July to August.
Berserker wrote: » FrancieBrady wrote: » Flegs - and parade nonsense every single year from July to August. Are there problems every year between July and August? Aside from the odd bit of isolated trouble around the 12th July, the marches pass of without incident. 95% don't even have a police officer in attendance.
Fionn1952 wrote: » I can't recall a single year without trouble between July and August around OO parading. Absolutely the majority pass without incident, it is often the same small few which cause problems every year. The Rossnowlagh parade is probably a great example to be held up regarding how the parades should be. Uncontroversial and non-triumphalist (as much as is possible given the nature of the celebration) on the Orange side, tolerated by the Irish side. Orangeism and parading will never be my cup of tea, but I'd have very few complaints if they conducted themselves in this manner, compared with, for example, the carry on outside St Patrick's Church.
FrancieBrady wrote: » You would have to be willing to ignore the fact that there is trouble every year around 11th night and the 12th. Obviously unionists have an acceptable level of these cultural expressions.
Berserker wrote: » Are there problems every year between July and August? Aside from the odd bit of isolated trouble around the 12th July, the marches pass of without incident. 95% don't even have a police officer in attendance.
downcow wrote: » FrancieBrady wrote: » You would have to be willing to ignore the fact that there is trouble every year around 11th night and the 12th. Obviously unionists have an acceptable level of these cultural expressions. Francie where was all this trouble on 11th night and 12th this year? I think you might be get mixed up with st Patrick’s day or nationalist bonfires which do always have trouble.
downcow wrote: » Francie where was all this trouble on 11th night and 12th this year? I think you might be get mixed up with st Patrick’s day or nationalist bonfires which do always have trouble.
Berserker wrote: » What would they march about?
downcow wrote: » it is fantasy that there is trouble every year on the twelfth.
Fionn1952 wrote: » I can't recall a single year without trouble between July and August around OO parading. Absolutely the majority pass without incident, it is often the same small few which cause problems every year.
downcow wrote: » Berserker, I appreciate your supportive post. Do be careful thought that you don’t be taken in by the sf pr. it is fantasy that there is trouble every year on the twelfth. I’ve asked other to provide some evidence of significant trouble on the twelfth of July this year and I am only getting silence. There is probably no event involving 100s of 1,000s of people which is so trouble free
Berserker wrote: » total lack of respect for Protestant culture
Berserker wrote: » Fionn1952 wrote: » I can't recall a single year without trouble between July and August around OO parading. Absolutely the majority pass without incident, it is often the same small few which cause problems every year. It's not that hard to find a year. Think about it. downcow wrote: » Berserker, I appreciate your supportive post. Do be careful thought that you don’t be taken in by the sf pr. it is fantasy that there is trouble every year on the twelfth. I’ve asked other to provide some evidence of significant trouble on the twelfth of July this year and I am only getting silence. There is probably no event involving 100s of 1,000s of people which is so trouble free Oh, I'm well aware of the SF PR machine. But for Republicans and their total lack of respect for Protestant culture there'd be no issues at all.
downcow wrote: » I am very clear. It was insensitive but should be allowed. I don’t want any police force having the power to decide what you me or martina can wear
Berserker wrote: » It's not that hard to find a year. Think about it. Oh, I'm well aware of the SF PR machine. But for Republicans and their total lack of respect for Protestant culture there'd be no issues at all.
Fionn1952 wrote: » In my lifetime, there hasn't been a year passed without issue.
