The glorious 12th

If SF can't have their hungry strike commemorations then Orange Order and Apprentice Boys of Derry along with all those bands should not be allowed to parade

RobMc59 wrote: »

You should remember that when your pontificating about people wearing poppies to remember their dead.

I have problems with people using symbols specifically to taunt and provoke Rob...that goes for anyone.

RobMc59

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Are you saying that people should not be allowed to remember their dead downcow? Do you realise what that means for your own community?

You should remember that when your pontificating about people wearing poppies to remember their dead.

downcow wrote: »

Matt you are now ducking and diving. The peaceful baby in strabane was not in the paras

Again you are trying to move the goal posts.
What's that got to do with the apprentice boys goading on the deaths of peaceful marchers on neither side? You're trying to make it okay because another group did other things to other people. You need to walk the walk instead of point scoring.

downcow wrote: »

I actually believe that should be allowed in strabane. It is insensitive and offensive and I don’t like it but should be allowed
Consistency as always!

The sound of furious backpedaling fills the air.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Except the commemoration in Strabane for which you had to trawl the history of the conflict to find a victim to exploit in order to engage in a 'themuns' are as bad campaign. A campaign designed to vindicate what the band did in Derry.

I actually believe that should be allowed in strabane. It is insensitive and offensive and I don’t like it but should be allowed
Consistency as always!

downcow wrote: »

Actually I do believe everyone should be able to.

Except the commemoration in Strabane for which you had to trawl the history of the conflict to find a victim to exploit in order to engage in a 'themuns' are as bad campaign. A campaign designed to vindicate what the band did in Derry.

Matt Barrett wrote: »

You are engaging in whataboutery.
The peaceful marchers killed by the paras weren't in the IRA.

Matt you are now ducking and diving. The peaceful baby in strabane was not in the paras

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Except you. You tried to defend/excuse it.

I absolutely believe the PSNI should not be allowed to decide what we can wear or say. And I’ll defend your community in that as well

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Are you saying that people should not be allowed to remember their dead downcow? Do you realise what that means for your own community?

Actually I do believe everyone should be able to.
I also believe that if one ra man was being singled out for eg la mon yet the commanders were getting off and other incidents were not getting the same attention. I would support nationalists saying this is unfair. If people wore badges supporting him in the vicinity of la mon I would say it was insensitive but was legal and should be allowed. If the police stopped the car on the way home in full riot gear I would say that was over the top.
Consistent as always !

downcow wrote: »

Very clear to me. Many are understandably upset that a band had para emblem on their arm. Many are very upset that an MEP chanted our day will come, in Irish, at the scene of a ira murder.

I can see the upset in both communities yet your bigotry only lets you see the hurt in your own community. That’s what’s sad and prevents progress.

You are engaging in whataboutery.
The peaceful marchers killed by the paras weren't in the IRA.
People making it all about the 'RA when it's nothing to do with them any time they want to defend the indefensible, in this case the apprentice boys, that's what's sad and pathetic.

downcow wrote: »

Very clear to me. Many are understandably upset that a band had para emblem on their arm.

Except you. You tried to defend/excuse it.

Matt Barrett wrote: »

No, hold your horses. We were speaking on the apprentice boys wearing the para insignia and marching into Derry to goad people regarding the deaths of peace marchers at the hands of the paras. That's a stand alone thing to either support or condemn.
You likened it to the Hunger Strike commemorations as a form of whataboutery.
Then you went to the actions of the people who took part in the Hunger strikes.
Now you are saying the IRA are worse than the paras or some guff. Can you even see the goalposts at this stage?

Very clear to me. Many are understandably upset that a band had para emblem on their arm. Many are very upset that an MEP chanted our day will come, in Irish, at the scene of a ira murder.

I can see the upset in both communities yet your bigotry only lets you see the hurt in your own community. That’s what’s sad and prevents progress.

downcow wrote: »

Just look at the contradictions inequality and sectarianism in your post. Surely I don’t need to explain for you

Are you saying that people should not be allowed to remember their dead downcow? Do you realise what that means for your own community?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What?

The conflict is over downcow. They are remembering their dead and you guys are provoking and triumphalising in a city that faces a murder trial in a few weeks. Facing the end to a 40 year pursuit for some semblance of justice.
Your despicable inability to criticise them for that is fairly typical of you.

Just look at the contradictions inequality and sectarianism in your post. Surely I don’t need to explain for you

downcow wrote: »

I was reminded of the killing on the ‘biggest show in the country’ , no friend of unionism.

But can wee just disagree on this You think the showing of support to soldier f and the paras is much worse. I think the showing of support to the ira is much worse. I think you are wrong but I don’t feel the need to convince you So I’m ok with that

No, hold your horses. We were speaking on the apprentice boys wearing the para insignia and marching into Derry to goad people regarding the deaths of peace marchers at the hands of the paras. That's a stand alone thing to either support or condemn.
You likened it to the Hunger Strike commemorations as a form of whataboutery.
Then you went to the actions of the people who took part in the Hunger strikes.
Now you are saying the IRA are worse than the paras or some guff. Can you even see the goalposts at this stage?

downcow wrote: »

I was reminded of the killing on the ‘biggest show in the country’ , no friend of unionism.

What?

But can wee just disagree on this You think the showing of support to soldier f and the paras is much worse. I think the showing of support to the ira is much worse. I think you are wrong but I don’t feel the need to convince you So I’m ok with that

The conflict is over downcow. They are remembering their dead and you guys are provoking and triumphalising in a city that faces a murder trial in a few weeks. Facing the end to a 40 year pursuit for some semblance of justice.
Your despicable inability to criticise them for that is fairly typical of you.

downcow wrote: »

Let me be clear. I did do a search for correct spelling but each time I came to posting his name again I couldn’t remember spelling. I thought a decent respectful resolution was to use M McG. But clearly not.
You still told lies and I would appreciate you sorting it out.

What lies did i say i picked it up a different way, i picked it up as you would never type his name, just like you are picking me up as being sad and a conspiracy victim more or less.

citytillidie wrote: »

To me that is basically saying you would never go out of your way to do a 10 second search on how to spell a name of a man you do not like.

Let me be clear. I did do a search for correct spelling but each time I came to posting his name again I couldn’t remember spelling. I thought a decent respectful resolution was to use M McG. But clearly not.
You still told lies and I would appreciate you sorting it out.

downcow wrote: »

Oh I absolutely wrote that. But you said that I had stated I would never type his name.
I had typed his name and people were pissed of with my misspelling so I referred to him as M McG and still people were annoyed so I said I would refer to him as the fisherman if that helped.
I NEVER SAID I WOULD NOT TYPE HIS NAME

To me that is basically saying you would never go out of your way to do a 10 second search on how to spell a name of a man you do not like.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There simply is no comparison and allowing somebody who just here to covertly (he thinks) defend the indefensible should not be tolerated.

Trawling the awful history of the conflict/war to find a tragic 5 month old victim to exploit is unforgivable too. But then what do you expect of someone who sees nothing wrong with parading support for Soldier F into Derry.

I was reminded of the killing on the ‘biggest show in the country’ , no friend of unionism.

But can wee just disagree on this You think the showing of support to soldier f and the paras is much worse. I think the showing of support to the ira is much worse. I think you are wrong but I don’t feel the need to convince you So I’m ok with that

citytillidie wrote: »

So you did not write this?

Oh I absolutely wrote that. But you said that I had stated I would never type his name.
I had typed his name and people were pissed of with my misspelling so I referred to him as M McG and still people were annoyed so I said I would refer to him as the fisherman if that helped.
I NEVER SAID I WOULD NOT TYPE HIS NAME

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Yes.
Now how does commemorations of the Hunger Strike compare to the Apprentice boys wearing the Paras insignia to goad people regarding the killing of innocent civilians in a peace march?

There simply is no comparison and allowing somebody who just here to covertly (he thinks) defend the indefensible should not be tolerated.

Trawling the awful history of the conflict/war to find a tragic 5 month old victim to exploit is unforgivable too. But then what do you expect of someone who sees nothing wrong with parading support for Soldier F into Derry.

downcow wrote: »

Do you realise that the hunger strikers were members of the most efficient sectarian killing machine in Europe. There organisation tortured and killed endless unarmed civilians.

Yes.
Now how does commemorations of the Hunger Strike compare to the Apprentice boys wearing the Paras insignia to goad people regarding the killing of innocent civilians in a peace march?

downcow wrote: »

Lies. Now I will ask you nicely to withdraw it or I will have no choice but to report you.
It is bad form to accuse other poster of stuff that is clearly not true.

So you did not write this?

downcow wrote: »

With respect. If you think I am going to search google to ensure I don’t spell a mans name wrong, a man who caused endless death and torture to my community, then you are mistaken. If it helps I’ll refer to him as the Fisherman from here on as it’s easy spelt and everyone will know who I’m talking about

firemansam4 wrote: »

Where on earth did you take that impression from my post?
Did you read my post before that? I never suggested in anyway its OK that protestants might have been intimidated.

I apologise if I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying it wasn’t quite as bad an MEP intimidating Protestants in Strabane as a band causing offence to catholics in Derry.
I accept I read it wrong and you didn’t mean that

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Not buying your deflection and editing. I said Hunger Strikes. That's an event. Let's bring it back on course.
Commemorations or placards on the Hunger Strikes are about the time prisoners were starving themselves in protest.
It is in no way comparable to the apprentice boys wearing the paras insignia to goad nationalists regarding the murdering of unarmed civilians talking part in a peace march.

Do you realise that the hunger strikers were members of the most efficient sectarian killing machine in Europe. There organisation tortured and killed endless unarmed civilians.

gwalk

firemansam4 wrote: »

downcow wrote: »

Lol. So that’s ok that it was only the Protestants that we’re intimidated. This is the core problem.
I have heard ABOD show sensible leadership today but still silence from SF about Strava me and the west Belfast festival about their concert. Let’s hope they catch up with the ABOD soon

Where on earth did you take that impression from my post?
Did you read my post before that? I never suggested in anyway its OK that protestants might have been intimidated.

Twisting posts to play the victim is her speciality

firemansam4

downcow wrote: »

Lol. So that’s ok that it was only the Protestants that we’re intimidated. This is the core problem.
I have heard ABOD show sensible leadership today but still silence from SF about Strava me and the west Belfast festival about their concert. Let’s hope they catch up with the ABOD soon

Where on earth did you take that impression from my post?
Did you read my post before that? I never suggested in anyway its OK that protestants might have been intimidated.