RobMc59 wrote: » I watched a BBC programme about Ulster language/dialects and couldn't understand it-I had been under the impression it was similar to Scottish dialect but it seems unique-I have no interest in arguing about either language,although do find it strange those most vocal in the defence of Irish language can't speak it.
Sofiztikated wrote: » RobMc59 wrote: » I watched a BBC programme about Ulster language/dialects and couldn't understand it-I had been under the impression it was similar to Scottish dialect but it seems unique-I have no interest in arguing about either language,although do find it strange those most vocal in the defence of Irish language can't speak it. I'm not gay, but voted for equal rights in respect of gay marriage. I'm a bloke, not a uterus in sight, but voted to remove the limit to abortion access in Ireland. I might not have a great grasp of Irish, but why not fight to allow those that want to/can speak it.
realitykeeper wrote: » King Billy was gay so next time the apprentice boys march, maybe the lgbtlmno people could tag along. Just joking about the last part.
realitykeeper wrote: » King Billy was gay so next time the apprentice boys march, maybe the lgbtlmno people could tag along..
citytillidie wrote: » So the band had the para emblem all summer but the apprentice boys did not know about it, yeah right
gwalk wrote: » so nothing has changed then in this thread... orange side "but but but themuns over there"
RobMc59 wrote: » Do you think Bernadette Devlin would praise the BA for saving her and her family?-Highly unlikely given her well known opinion and stance.
janfebmar wrote: » She was a well known extremist Republican in the past, but yesterday she came out and said that anyone who would vote to join the free state would be mad in the head. She knows now, having been involved in Republican politics all her life, how sectarian many northern Republicans are and how much of a disaster a United Ireland would be.
downcow wrote: » I find the intransigence and bigotry on here by many quite simply astounding. The focus by some on a tiny BA emblem, which is to show support for the campaign in opposition to singling out one private for a murder charge that has no hope of succeeding and to appease one small group of victims, is simple sectarian bigotry. In the SAME WEEK AS the republican leadership was involved in and defending : 1) MEP Dancing in the street in ira t shirt on the spot a 5month old Protestant baby was murdered by the ira 2) MEP on a platform in a town, where Protestants had listened to the rallying call of chuckie ar la while they were ethnically cleansed, she with her fist in the air shouting chuckie ar la three times to cheers of the crowd 3) The closing concert at the ‘so-called’ crosscummity west Belfast festival, funded by public money, again invited along wolf tonnes and again had ira chanting and anti unionist songs. And it’s only a couple of weeks since the Tyrone Senior GAA team were filmed shout ira at a small band containing mainly young girls. You’s need to take off the sectarian spectacles and get a bit of reality in your lives. The cases above also involve mainly your republican ‘ambassadors’. What an example. But sure let us all focus on a 3 inches emblem on a bands slieve. To mention anything else would be whataboutery SAD
downcow wrote: » I find the intransigence and bigotry on here by many quite simply astounding. The focus by some on a tiny BA emblem, which is to show support for the campaign in opposition to singling out one private for a murder charge that has no hope of succeeding and to appease one small group of victims, is simple sectarian bigotry. In the SAME WEEK AS the republican leadership was involved in and defending : 1) MEP Dancing in the street in ira t shirt on the spot a 5month old Protestant baby was murdered by the ira
2) MEP on a platform in a town, where Protestants had listened to the rallying call of chuckie ar la while they were ethnically cleansed, she with her fist in the air shouting chuckie ar la three times to cheers of the crowd
3) The closing concert at the ‘so-called’ crosscummity west Belfast festival, funded by public money, again invited along wolf tonnes and again had ira chanting and anti unionist songs.
downcow wrote: » Sadly there is a lot of nasty sectarian attitudes towards the band scene. If there are nationalists on here who genuinely want to understand the marching band scene and why it is so important to the unionist community you could watch this little series that is currently running on the bbc getting behind the scenes a bit of bands commotions, 12ths, etchttps://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0002tv3 It continues to grow and flourish and Gracie is correct that the OO numbers are on a long slow decrease (mind you they get a great boost every time republicans try to block them). The bands are clearly filling that gap. Eg my family out of 6 siblings only one was in a band. Now out of 21 nephews and nieces age 12-30 13 are in various bands and not one has considered leaving. Indeed some of them have dragged parents into their bands Have a watch with an open mind. May help you understand why I liken the scene to the gaa
Matt Barrett wrote: » What's not the case? Not for me no. I was fluent as a kid but lost it over time. I do know many Irish speakers though. It's logical for Ireland to support Irish. It would be shameful to let it fade IMO. That's above and beyond any petty DUP or anti-Irish rhetoric. It's a language of Ireland. Politics changes and we get petty squabbles. Irish is far greater than trying to score points against bigots. We might as well call the country Burger King, home of the Whopper if we don't respect and support our unique culture.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Southern society today has more in common with Billy than that sectarian mob. He was fighting for civil and religious liberty for all.
blanch152 wrote: » It is logical to support the Irish language as a way of maintaining our heritage. However the things we do - putting all signs in Irish, requiring court services to be provided in Irish, making the Irish version of legislation supreme, compulsory Irish in schools etc - they do nothing to support Irish, instead they create resentment against the language, they pigeon-hole it as a burden rather than a benefit.
janfebmar wrote: » He was not gay according to his wife Mary, or according to his Mistress Elizabeth Villiers. Of course some of his enemies say he was gay. What else would you expect them to say?
munsterlegend wrote: » What’s wrong with putting our signs in both languages? It’s actually quite interesting considering the vast majority of place names even up north came from the Irish language.
FrancieBrady wrote: » There are things, like the flag and anthems I have no problems with negotiating. But the immature, condescending and frankly, colonial attitude to our language needs to be just ignored. It is wrong to encourage the bigotry and childish faux offence around what is a beautiful and culturally rich attribute to us all even if people don't speak it.
munsterlegend wrote: » Unionism love culture except when it comes to anything which has anything to do with their neighbour down south. How a language spoken by our ancestors can cause such offense to them really shows the superiority mindset has not gone away.
We reaffirm our opposition to the introduction of any form of legislation for the Irish language. Such a move would have far reaching detrimental consequences for our British identity and would rightly be acknowledged as a landmark victory for republicanism in their ongoing cultural war against our community.
downcow wrote: » But sure let us all focus on a 3 inches emblem on a bands slieve.
citytillidie wrote: » I hope that you're including yourself in that. You will bring up MEP but not give their name. Refuse to use a name of a dead person, and not use the correct spelling of the Irish language but try to mock it the way Gregory Campbell has done. Also the so called 1st minister Arlene Foster really has shown that she is full of double standards, she was right condemning the bonfire last week in New Lodge as a bile of hate that no one wants to see but very quiet on 11th bonfire's which were just as bad, with DUP party members enjoying them seeing them as Protestant culture. Lots of public money is spent on the 12th and 11th. N.Ireland football fans were also filmed singing bad songs towards Catholics yet you are all quiet on that or see it as ok
munsterlegend wrote: » FrancieBrady wrote: » There are things, like the flag and anthems I have no problems with negotiating. But the immature, condescending and frankly, colonial attitude to our language needs to be just ignored. It is wrong to encourage the bigotry and childish faux offence around what is a beautiful and culturally rich attribute to us all even if people don't speak it. Unionism love culture except when it comes to anything which has anything to do with their neighbour down south. How a language spoken by our ancestors can cause such offense to them really shows the superiority mindset has not gone away.
gwalk wrote: » why not promote this one instead:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AMDl__eCsA&t=2805s "Loyalists celebrating their culture on their yearly Orange festival. Contains violence and riotous behavior."
downcow wrote: » You won’t find anything near a ni game that is not ni related.
Scoundrel wrote: » Intransigence and bigotry you'd know a lot about that alright it's killing you that you lot can't rub nationalists faces in it anymore that you can't be triumphalist and supremacist anymore. I note that the ABOD have apologised for the offence caused do you not agree with that? That band knew exactly what they were doing and the offence it would cause how could they not? in the same city where the paras butchered 13 innocent people. This is akin to republicans wishing to march through Larne or Carrick while glorifying the IRA you'd have a meltdown. This parade has been facilitated through Derry thanks to a lot of goodwill and community work and that has been thrown away thanks to the actions of this scummy band.
