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My idea. Can a modern human survive in 10000 BC

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Was thinking this, would a modern person be able to survive or even thrive of you found yourself in the past?
Was reading about how the Egyptians made the pyramid and thought would wonder how would I fare if I went back in time.

What do you think would help of it happened?

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Paddy Cow

kneemos wrote: »

Would it be that much different from ending up living on the street?
You wouldn't need to kill, gut and cook your food, but there would be predators and disease.

It would be much different. People survive on the street by begging or using services provided by homeless charities. If you suddenly found yourself in a time warp and managed to stumble across a tribe of people, you'd be lucky if they didn't kill you on the spot. Even if they did accept you, life would be incredibly difficult. If you managed to take care of your physical needs, safety would be a big issue. No tetanus or antibiotics mean even something simply now, would be the end of you back then.

The chan chan man

Probably have a better chance of getting me hole anyway

corner of hells

Woke Hogan wrote: »

I think would be fine. To be honest, basic survivalist skills aren't as difficult as people would think. It might suit some of you to give making a fire out in the wild a go, rather than sitting on your arses on the computer all day.
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Then it would be a simple matter of integrating into a local tribe by learning their language, assuming I wouldn't immediately be sold into slavery or murdered by anyone I encountered.

Most likely , one of us would kill you about twenty minutes after meeting you.

Id probably skin you and make a nice hat and coat out of you.

[Deleted User]

corner of hells wrote: »

Most likely , one of us would kill you about twenty minutes after meeting you.

Id probably skin you and make a nice hat and coat out of you.

ehhhh

gozunda

Upforthematch wrote: »

A modern irish human couldn't survive with an indigenous tribe living in 2019 never mind 10000bc. Imagine no internet, no Tesco, no dishwasher!!!

Not a bother tbh. I primarily grew up in an era where there were fek all modern conviencies. I reckon the only trouble with time travel is that our modern gut binome couldnt cope with the differences with enteric bacteria of then and now ...

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Skyrimaddict wrote: »

Was thinking this, would a modern person be able to survive or even thrive of you found yourself in the past?

"First Agricultural Revolution [was] the transformation of human societies from hunting and gathering to farming. This transition occurred worldwide between 10,000 BC and 2000 BC." Homo sapiens skeletons date to nearly 200,000 years ago in Africa. So in terms of development, modern humans existed as a species way before 10,000 BC, and were developing agriculture, which allowed for surplus food and evolving social organisation. So the potential for today's person (generally speaking) to survive during 10,000 BC was good.

Then again, there were no mobile phones, sooooooooooo FAIL! :pac:

SEPT 23 1989

I don’t know about those oxygen levels back then maybe my lungs couldn’t handle it

Wibbs

ever not always wrote: »

Had a read through that for my many sins and the majority of it is utterly useless. Take antibiotics. Try and find the right fungus. Use a microscope? Grand if they're around, if not then you're outa luck. Even if you do find the right fungus, you have to refine the active ingredient and even with the best tech and centuries of chemistry under their belts that was a hard nut to crack when it first came along. Run electricity through tungsten to get the first lightbulb. Eh nope. NOt nearly so easy. Carbonised thread would be far simpler and was one of the original ideas and even then it took a lot of trial and error by some of the best minds to make it even kinda viable. Flight? pointless for most of history. Maybe if you sought out Leo DaVinci if that's where you ended up. And you'd have to convince him. Never mind the nonsense about diabetes. Clearly an American wrote that, but back then it would have been one of the rarest conditions on the planet.

10,000 BC? depended on where you landed. Farming had already kicked off in many places so.. Maybe things like crop rotation would be worthy as it will increase yields.

Your likely best bet to get noticed would be in military tech. Gunpowder would be a major calling card and would really get you noticed. The compound bow another. The chariot. Invent the stirrup for horseriding. Major advance and gives more effective cavalry.

Metal working. This is a biggie. You'll need to have a basic grounding in geology. Start with bronze and get them used to that and the heat required is lower. A nice sideline would be gold and silver for jewellery, always goes over well with the big knobs. As you get more practiced introduce iron. Both bronze and iron will also allow you to make more effective ploughs.

Practice with heat will also give you better pottery and more, glass. That's how you get into optics.

Writing. Another biggie. Again convince the big knobs that this writing stuff will allow them to keep tabs of what shit's theirs and the priestly caste can use it to spread the "truth" about their gods. Allows you to transmit information. When they get used to it for a few years, come up with basic printing. Then progress will really explode as others get in on your act.

Demonstrate the scientific method. Tell them a god told you, but you're only an unworthy vessel to keep the priestly caste sweet, and tell them first. Actually fire most of your ideas through the priests and shamans. They're the media of the time, so use it. Keep them on side.

Seafaring and navigation. The compass and astrolabe and cartography. The sail. Tacking with and agin the wind. Show them how to make planked/clinker built boats. With your bronze/iron invent the saw and drill and axe and the nail.

I'd be a god I tells, ya, a god.

:pac:

Beasty

If I was around in 10,000 BC I would be dead now. Hence it's clear I have survived to a later date by virtue of not being around 12,000 years ago, and indeed can write this post (which I could not have done then)

screamer

Depends on the modem humans you’re talking about. The older generation they’re tough cookies, I think they’d survive. Generation snowflake, forget it, they’d be dinner to the wild animals they would want to pet and give rights and names to.

Wibbs

Paddy Cow wrote: »

No tetanus or antibiotics mean even something simply now, would be the end of you back then.

Well so far I got to my 50's with no antibiotics so I'd probably be alright. Though I did have a tetanus jab when I was a kid. The biggest hurdle back then and pretty much up to a hundred odd years ago was surviving childhood. If you did then hitting 60 or 70, even 80 was doable. Outside of plagues and war 50's was a near given(even our more ancient cousins the neandertals made it to 50 often enough). Consider the Christian psalm from 2000 years ago and aimed at a mostly peasant audience that said: The days of our years are threescore years and ten, and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years. IE 70 or 80. Rameses the Great made it past 90. If you made it to adulthood. Most didn't.

gozunda

Beasty wrote: »

If I was around in 10,000 BC I would be dead now. Hence it's clear I have survived to a later date by virtue of not being around 12,000 years ago, and indeed can write this post (which I could not have done then)

Type 1?

greasepalm

Hey guys my cell service has no signal:mad::mad::mad::D

Melanchthon

Feisar wrote: »

We are pack/social creatures. Since anyone dropped back 12000 years ago wouldn’t have a hope in fitting in I’d say survivability would be close to zero.

Not anyone, presumably a woman of childbearing age would be taken in by a tribe, and then probably die during childbirth

Feisar

gozunda wrote: »

Not a bother tbh. I primarily grew up in an era where there were fek all modern conviencies. I reckon the only trouble with time travel is that our modern gut binome couldnt cope with the differences with enteric bacteria of then and now ...

Seriously? There is no mod cons and then there’s living on the edge. The American Indians often had famines and hardships and they were the quintessential experts in living off the land.

Wibbs

Melanchthon wrote: »

Not anyone, presumably a woman of childbearing age would be taken in by a tribe, and then probably die during childbirth

That seems to be more a thing after we became "civilised" along with farming. Within hunter gatherer societies, while it's not nearly as safe as in modern times it was less risky than later societies. Roman young women would first write their will soon after marriage upon learning they were pregnant. In the medieval and later in churches the most requested prayer for intercession was from pregnant women. These days women live longer than men on average, a couple of centuries ago that trend was reversed. Mad.

gozunda

Feisar wrote: »

Seriously? There is no mod cons and then there’s living on the edge. The American Indians often had famines and hardships and they were the quintessential experts in living off the land.

Living then was not necessarily living on the 'edge . Once individuals survived the trials of childhood (and child bearing) longevity was not unusual. Yup. Grew up with no central heating. Fireplaces to heat individual rooms but no heating where slept and solid fuel stove for cooking. Food was grown or sourced locally. Well water and lots of foodstuffs 'off' the land' including stuff growing wild, berries, game etc. I reckon most kids couldn't hack it any of that now or think it some wild adventure. In reality many lived similar lives not that long ago and sourced or produced their own food etc. Research has shown that farming was first practised between 12000 and 23000 years ago and spread rapidly. Humans have lived in settlements with shared resources over a similar timescale and cared for the elderly and infirm. Granted contagious diseases did tend to have dramatic effect on whole populations.

You may note btw my reply related to the idea of time travel and dealing with conditions back then "no internet, no Tesco, no dishwasher"
Personally I reckon the biggest issue would be differences in gut flora and diseases which would wipe out any time traveller within a very short time imo

Feisar

gozunda wrote: »

Living then was not necessarily living on the 'edge . Once individuals survived the trials of childhood (and child bearing) longevity was not unusual. Yup. Grew up with no central heating. Fireplaces to heat individual rooms but no heating where slept and solid fuel stove for cooking. Food was grown or sourced locally. Well water and lots of foodstuffs 'off' the land' including stuff growing wild, berries, game etc. I reckon most kids couldn't hack it any of that now or think it some wild adventure. In reality many lived similar lives not that long ago and sourced or produced their own food etc. Research has shown that farming was first practised between 12000 and 23000 years ago and spread rapidly. Humans have lived in settlements with shared resources over a similar timescale and cared for the elderly and infirm. Granted contagious diseases did tend to have dramatic effect on whole populations.

You may note btw my reply related to the idea of time travel and dealing with conditions back then "no internet, no Tesco, no dishwasher"
Personally I reckon the biggest issue would be differences in gut flora and diseases which would wipe out any time traveller within a very short time imo

I looked at it as if one was dropped in, so as a total outsider with no social ties. Not possible to survive in my opinion in that case.

ToddyDoody

A millennial would be dead within a month.

Irish Guitarist

Those posters who constantly complain about vegans would thrive. They're always banging on about how in touch they are with their ancestors because they eat meat. All the training they've had from buying packets of Dennys rashers in Tesco would ensure they'd have no problem fashioning a spear out of some wood and stone and bringing down a mammoth.

wally79

ToddyDoody wrote: »

A millennial would be dead within a month.

Assuming you are of an older generation than millennial, as am I.

I think a millennial will be younger (possibly stronger and fitter) and more adaptable than you and have more chance of survival

matchthis

No Jack's roll or fresh water, I'm out

gozunda

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

Those posters who constantly complain about vegans would thrive. They're always banging on about how in touch they are with their ancestors because they eat meat. All the training they've had from buying packets of Dennys rashers in Tesco would ensure they'd have no problem fashioning a spear out of some wood and stone and bringing down a mammoth.

Ah the screaming veggies again lol. I'm sure if it wasn't for the plant munchers constantly talking bs about farming and food - there would be nowt said.

And talking of bs - by 10,000 years ago the mammoths were largely extinct and farming of crops and animals was the way to go.

As for our modern veggies - not only do they know fek all about farming or food production evidently - all the training they've had down the local supermarket buying cheap imported foods should set them up nicely for actually getting their hands dirty and growing their own rather than just talking bs about it and boring people to tears about cavemen and Dennys ham.

Woke Hogan

wally79 wrote: »

Assuming you are of an older generation than millennial, as am I.

I think a millennial will be younger (possibly stronger and fitter) and more adaptable than you and have more chance of survival

Most people in their 40s and 50s now are obese from years of drinking cans of cheap lager, eating **** Chinese takeaway and smoking fags. Most of those slobs would collapse of the DTs within two days of waking up in the distant past, lamenting that they died in an era where Manchester United doesn't exist yet.

Wibbs

gozunda wrote: »

As for our modern veggies - not only do they know fek all about farming or food production evidently - all the training they've had down the local supermarket buying cheap imported foods should set them up nicely for actually getting their hands dirty dirty and growing their own rather than just talking bs about it and boring people to tears about cavemen and Dennys ham.

More than that they'd have to get some fairly extensive knowledge of wild plant food sources as domesticated plants were narrow in range. The vast majority of fruit and veg in shops today didn't exist in those forms 10,000 years ago. Not being up to speed with edible plants could get you sick or killed in short order, what with poisons and that. Animal food sources are far safer in that regard. It's one reason why after humans started eating more meat we were able to populate the planet. If you arrive in a new area and haven't yet figured out what fruit and veg is not toxic to eat you can eat pretty much any animal that shows up until you do.

El_Duderino 09

Wed almost all be ballsed. But that's what happens a species when their circumstances change drastically. Most of them die except the ones most adapted (or if too few are well adapted the whole species can collapse)

If you lived 10,000 bce, you'r parents and friends would teach you the things you need to know and do to survive. Foraging, hunting, making shelter and clothes, staying safe from predation.

Wanderer78

ToddyDoody wrote: »

A millennial would be dead within a month.

most of us would be dead within a few days

Wibbs

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If you lived 10,000 bce, you'r parents and friends would teach you the things you need to know and do to survive. Foraging, hunting, making shelter and clothes, staying safe from predation.

Which requires quite a bit of knowledge and practice too. Going further back to the paleolithic, the stone age as it were modern humans had slightly larger brains and some have considered that we might have been more intelligent on average than today, or at least we needed more brain power to be generalists. Pre farming there were few specialists, pretty much everybody was involved in every aspect of life and survival, so you had to be a jack or jill of all trades. Everything you used you had to make by hand and you even had to make the tools that made the tools.

What started to mark us out as a species was that on top of all that we added decoration and symbols. It seems people couldn't leave any bit of kit undecorated and it seems that the individual owners were the ones who did it. Though decoration and art appears to be the first specialisation as the signs of small workshops have been found where some individuals were left more free to pursue the making of art. Which could take a very long time. Try carving mammoth ivory with stone tools. Crazily laborious. So they had to be left to do it.

Wibbs

matchthis wrote: »

No Jack's roll or fresh water, I'm out

Actually there's another two inventions I'd come up with; paper and beer.

branie2

I doubt it