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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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opus

Planners seek more details on proposal for a hostel on Cork's Grand Parade

kub

Planning has been submitted to Cork City Council for the highest building in the country.

Nice to see The Echo not taking sides:

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/A-planning-application-for-Irelands-tallest-building-has-been-lodged-with-Cork-City-Council-bffb8551-7013-4c97-aba0-745e2a3bdb4b-ds

Justin Credible Darts

really hope this goes ahead

sadly you just know some will object, and the council I have little faith in, and red tape in this country could mean even if it goes ahead, it will take far longer than expected.

I do hope i am wrong

vinnie_cork

Is that councilor suggesting social housing should been thrown in on top of the hotel? If he is suggesting more residential units needed in that area I assume he’s backing the sextant development which has also been applied for last week. Although he is probably suggesting a hotel should be added into that residential development ðŸ™„

kub

vinnie_cork wrote: »

Is that councilor suggesting social housing should been thrown in on top of the hotel? If he is suggesting more residential units needed in that area I assume he’s backing the sextant development which has also been applied for last week. Although he is probably suggesting a hotel should be added into that residential development &#55357;&#56900;

Why is it I feel that I would not be surprised if the likes of this politician opposes the Sextant development while insisting this one has a residential accomodation?

Justin Credible Darts

kub wrote: »

Why is it I feel that I would not be surprised if the likes of this politician opposes the Sextant development while insisting this one has a residential accomodation?

because he thinks pubs and social housing go hand in hand ?

lol

fonecrusher1

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

really hope this goes ahead

sadly you just know some will object, and the council I have little faith in, and red tape in this country could mean even if it goes ahead, it will take far longer than expected.

I do hope i am wrong

Its a given there will be objections submitted and this means it will be delayed by approx 6 months to a year. I'm expecting that to be honest. I'm more concerned that the building will shrink to appease the perpetually disapproving.

Of course I hope i'm wrong but its likely IMO it will get decreased by 5 - 10 floors. Can't have too big a shadow cast on the river. It'll upset the fish.

Rhys Essien

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Its a given there will be objections submitted and this means it will be delayed by approx 6 months to a year. I'm expecting that to be honest. I'm more concerned that the building will shrink to appease the perpetually disapproving.

Of course I hope i'm wrong but its likely IMO it will get decreased by 5 - 10 floors. Can't have too big a shadow cast on the river. It'll upset the fish.

Remember it’s already after been shrunk by 13 storey’s. It was initially 47 on their website and after nearly two years in consultation with the city council I imagine all will go ahead as planned. Fingers crossed.

Justin Credible Darts

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Its a given there will be objections submitted and this means it will be delayed by approx 6 months to a year. I'm expecting that to be honest. I'm more concerned that the building will shrink to appease the perpetually disapproving.

Of course I hope i'm wrong but its likely IMO it will get decreased by 5 - 10 floors. Can't have too big a shadow cast on the river. It'll upset the fish.

No doudt it will upset someone or something.

snotboogie

New CSO stats for new dwelling completions for Q2 2019 are out: https://cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/ndc/newdwellingcompletionsq22019/

139 units completed between the Northside and Southside up 1 from Q1, if you include the suburbs (Ballincollig, Carrigaline, Cobh, Glanmire) it's 282 up from 240 last quarter. 539 completed in the whole county up from 427 in Q1.

hans aus dtschl

snotboogie wrote: »

New CSO stats for new dwelling completions for Q2 2019 are out: https://cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/ndc/newdwellingcompletionsq22019/

139 units completed between the Northside and Southside up 1 from Q1, if you include the suburbs (Ballincollig, Carrigaline, Cobh, Glanmire) it's 282 up from 240 last quarter. 539 completed in the whole county up from 427 in Q1.

I misread you!

Looks like Cork city suburbia is where most of the building is going on.

Burty330

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Boutique-hotel-to-open-on-Corks-South-Mall-targeting-Millennials-db3d5e0d-ec74-4677-9906-01cc0379e665-ds

Why not build apartments in there instead? Maybe in wrong but i dont believe there is a hotel crisis in the country. And Isn't there already hotel being built 2mins away over the old fas building?

Nigel Fairservice

Burty330 wrote: »

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Boutique-hotel-to-open-on-Corks-South-Mall-targeting-Millennials-db3d5e0d-ec74-4677-9906-01cc0379e665-ds

Why not build apartments in there instead? Maybe in wrong but i dont believe there is a hotel crisis in the country. And Isn't there already hotel being built 2mins away over the old fas building?

God knows when that hotel will be built. It's fortunes seemed to be linked to the event centre.

[Deleted User]

Burty330 wrote: »

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Boutique-hotel-to-open-on-Corks-South-Mall-targeting-Millennials-db3d5e0d-ec74-4677-9906-01cc0379e665-ds

Why not build apartments in there instead? Maybe in wrong but i dont believe there is a hotel crisis in the country. And Isn't there already hotel being built 2mins away over the old fas building?

Apartments on the South Mall will be very rare, for the foreseeable future.

It's a business street (always has been) and if we have to have hotels, I would rather them there (where we were never getting apartments) than somewhere viable for a multi purpose development.

Shedite27

Burty330 wrote: »

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Boutique-hotel-to-open-on-Corks-South-Mall-targeting-Millennials-db3d5e0d-ec74-4677-9906-01cc0379e665-ds

Why not build apartments in there instead? Maybe in wrong but i dont believe there is a hotel crisis in the country. And Isn't there already hotel being built 2mins away over the old fas building?

Lack of hotels is resulting in apartments being used as Airbnb.
This results in too few apartments being available for housing.

Every new bed helps the housing crisis.

namloc1980

Shedite27 wrote: »

Lack of hotels is resulting in apartments being used as Airbnb.
This results in too few apartments being available for housing.

Every new bed helps the housing crisis.

It's too simplistic to say lack of hotels has resulted in Airbnb using apartments. Rip off hotels plus the reality that a lot of people prefer to have a home away from home while away as opposed to staying a hotel room are also at play.

trackrunner

Tower crane up in the last few days for the student apartments on the old O’Mahony Packaging building on Melbourne Road.

No tower crane on Farrenlea Road student accommodation site yet but steady progress still been made.

Shedite27

namloc1980 wrote: »

It's too simplistic to say lack of hotels has resulted in Airbnb using apartments. Rip off hotels plus the reality that a lot of people prefer to have a home away from home while away as opposed to staying a hotel room are also at play.

I wasn't saying it was literally the only reason :rolleyes:

namloc1980

Shedite27 wrote: »

I wasn't saying it was literally the only reason :rolleyes:

Yeah the rolleyes tell it all

Lackadaisical

You’d actually need to start offering aparthotels to deal with the Airbnb issue. There’s clearly a demand for self catering and it’s something you see a lot on the continent, especially for business travel.

Curb Your Enthusiasm

Lackadaisical wrote: »

You’d actually need to start offering aparthotels to deal with the Airbnb issue. There’s clearly a demand for self catering and it’s something you see a lot on the continent, especially for business travel.

Something like Staycity, which operate in Dublin already I believe.

snotboogie

trackrunner wrote: »

Tower crane up in the last few days for the student apartments on the old O’Mahony Packaging building on Melbourne Road.

No tower crane on Farrenlea Road student accommodation site yet but steady progress still been made.

Great update! Looks like there won't be a crane at Farranlea Rd given the progress made already

marno21

https://twitter.com/CorkCraneCount/status/1161246273049169920

Brilliant tweet from Cork Crane Count today showing how dense the area around the two public transport stations is becoming.

And this is before any development east of Albert Quay.

who_me

Nice way of highlighting the 'cluster'. It still misses the Victoria Road apartments (6 & 10 floors) and the Dean St. hotel (7 floors). There's an additional building in Horgan's Quay not shown either (right where "Hertz Car Hire" is written) but may be included in the building heights listed below.

opus

Apartments on Millerd St are up to first floor level.

As well I spotted the planning notice for the alterations to student flats at the Coca Cola site on the Straight Road is stuck on the fence.

snotboogie

I thought Coca Cola were fully through planning?

snotboogie

Another tall building gone for planning in Cork:

Fast track planning permission being sought for 17-storey apartment tower in Cork city

The article also includes and update on the Mahon Tower site which is "quietly being marketed for sale" looking at the developers for this tower I would fear the same outcome here

questionmark?

snotboogie wrote: »

Another tall building gone for planning in Cork:

Fast track planning permission being sought for 17-storey apartment tower in Cork city

The article also includes and update on the Mahon Tower site which is "quietly being marketed for sale" looking at the developers for this tower I would fear the same outcome here

Serious ambition shown in Cork. Imagine if all the planned high rises go ahead as in how high will the rest of the docklands become as development moves downstream!!

opus

snotboogie wrote: »

I thought Coca Cola were fully through planning?

Went back for alterations, someone posted about it either here or on the Sky Scraper City forum previously. I just noticed the planning notice as I was jogging past.

Dbu

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/failure-to-agree-on-forecast-of-costs-sets-dunkettle-interchange-back-one-year-944107.html

Dunkettle interchange can kicked down the road