gormdubhgorm wrote: » I mean in current qualification games they are doing aliright - all on 9 points each in the Euro's quantification (beat Turkey in on of the games).https://ie.soccerway.com/international/europe/european-championship-qualification/2020/qualifying-round/group-h/g12194/ If anyone is doing the fooling it is yourself you think that training would turn Bastic into Fenton! Your own county f**ked up it's chances of success by having a heave against its manager - Rochford Internal politics a disaster. You need the players, management a plan, a structure before any funding. What do Mayo have Cora Staunton?
bruschi wrote: » Dublin have by far the worst participation on population per registered club member. If the aim is to have increased participation per capita, then it has failed. If we are basing it on percentage increase of members, then it is a success. So what do we base the figure on? Per registered club member or per population? Because if it is per population, it's a failure and the figure looks low. If it is per club member the figure is high and a success. You can't have it both ways.
BonnieSituation wrote: » What do you suggest? What do YOU want? What are your solutions?
MayoAreMagic wrote: » I never said you could turn bastick into fenton. In fact I specifically stated that was not the case. What I did say was without the level of professional coaching available to him throughout his developmental years, fenton becomes more like bastick. That is to say, still a good fielder of the ball, a capable midfield player, mobile and quick, but lower technique levels, not as good on both feet or as comfortable on the ball. He probably gives the ball away more. Or maybe he falls away from football for a while and never makes the county setup... Re my own county - the only relevant point here is that they dont have that level of professional coaching made available to them - the same as every other county outside dublin. Anything else is beside the point. As for rochford, unless he has a time machine and 40 professional coaches willing to go with him back to 2000 and work for free, he has no relevance in this discussion.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » What subsequent games? They got a comprehensive hiding in the next game from france and were out... The england win is their big claim to fame. Ours is beating italy in the group in 1994 - 25 years ago... Therein lies my point. You seem to think that the other top teams should be content with getting a big win once every 25 odd years. You werent happy when dublin were falling just short for all irelands, yet think everyone else should be happy with far less... It is the equivalent of offering us a nice shiny penny while you take all that troublesome paper money... Who do you think you are fooling?
rebel girl 15 wrote: » You have to have “professional” coaches to teach a child to use both feet and hands - mind absolutely boggles! That’s just common sense - I’m not a professional coach but any session I do will always make players work on both sides. Not hard to put high coaching standards in place in counties for very little cost - problem is some coaches have lost the amateur ethos even at club level coaching, which is madness. Posted this before but there was a fantastic initiative with hurling this year where the vast majority of counties were split and a lot more young fellas exposed to inter county games. Cork was split in four as far as I know - but it’s been the only competition to have all 32 counties playing in it.
BonnieSituation wrote: » What about Meath in 2010?
odyssey06 wrote: » One wonders why Ireland, Uruguay, Croatia, Sweden, Denmark bother to turn up for soccer internationals. Never mind Finland. Yet consistently in soccer we see results that belie population figures. Kerry has the same population as Wicklow. Cork has nearly 4 times the population as Kerry. I'd like to see the correlation chart between population and All Irelands, because it doesn't seem to a strong relationship. Cork also has 9 times the population of Monaghan. If you want to talk about population discrepancies, Dublin is just the start of the conversation.
RoyalCelt wrote: » Funny the one game the ref wasn't in favour of dublin back then you lose. We all know the GAA wanted Dublin to keep winning so it's no surprise the refs by and large were in your pocket. Dublin vs Meath 2005 the ref was a joke too.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I think it has failed because it has not made real encroachments in the soccer and rugby heartlands. Plus I do not see enough young fellas who's parents are from outside Ireland in Dublin teams/clubs? Where have all the Pawel's, Li Wei's and Babangida's gone? Dublin have just maintained thier areas v soccer and rugby in the capital not taken them on.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » A lot of those five goals should have been disallowed for one reason or another I seem to remember! :eek:
bruschi wrote: » Don't think I'd agree fully. Whilst they may not have made full inroads into other traditional areas, they had done excellent work and have increased participation levels. Dublin will never have 100% participation levels, it's just not conceivable, which is why a rate per population is not a correct way to measure things. Clubs have grown massively in Dublin and retention rates are up too. That's success in my eyes.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » In fairness Cork has hurling, rugby soccer But looking at this list and excluding dual counties/occupied counties Kildare and Meath seem like the biggest underachievershttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irish_counties_by_population
yermanhimself wrote: » Money has nothing to do with developing players ( It has not worked for Kildare who have have pumped lots of money into paying managers) The current group of Dublin players have been developed by some very small clubs in Dublin ( Ballymun Kickhams 6 , Raheny 2, Cuala 2, Clontarf 1, Parnells 1, etc) at least 5 of the team are sons of previous county players ( Rock, McCarthy, McCaffrey, Callaghan & Brogan) The Management team are made of previous players ( Gavin, Darcy, Sherlock, Clarke, Byrne etc) This same formula is also used by the present Kerry team and will lead to success in the future. The development of this team began in the clubs and development squads led by previous county players giving their time and experience to kids of 8 years of age and upwards. Success does bring rewards which are then pumped back into the clubs and coaches.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » As was stated earlier, there is a critical mass at play there. If you have a population up in the millions, you will be better equipped to compete against a nation 10 times your size than if you have 100,000 and you comlete with a pick of 1 million... Croatia, although they have never actually won anything, have a high level. The point you are missing is croatia are more an exception rather than the rule. Dubs tend to do this a lot. They pick an exception to the rule and say well what about these lads, thet are going well at x are they not? But obviously they are an exception that is bucking the trend and everyone cant be the exception can they?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » You are only codding yourself you still watch the games and still hunt for your free tickets - you are just letting others subsdise you. A real protest would be not watching any gaelic games. It is this your form of half nearly, maybe, sorta, kinda going or 'half' interested? You either are or you are not.
odyssey06 wrote: » Croatia would have, if they only have to worry about one of the major soccer powers (by population) at a time - which would be the Dublin scenario. Ditto for Denmark, Sweden, Uruguay. In any given tournament, one of those teams is capable of beating one of the major powers. There are so many exceptions in GAA they are the rule. If population was all that mattered Kerry would not have more All Irelands than Dublin and Cork combined. Yet Wicklow with the same population have none. Whatever the critical mass is in the GAA, 100,000 versus 1 million is not it.
Gachla wrote: » I have suggestions but why put them forward to people who can't even admit there's a problem despite huge evidence to show that there is?
Gachla wrote: » Money has made a huge difference. Here's a quote from a GDO who was invloved from when this all began: "I went back the following year to an U15 development squad. And if you were to compare the quality of player coming through then to the U13s now, the difference is night and day. Kids were coming into us without the basic skills. They were kick-passing a five-yard pass instead of hand-passing it but their instinct was to kick it along the ground. So they obviously hadn’t been exposed to any level of coaching. I look now at U14 football in Dublin and the standard of football in the county is phenomenal. The level of individual skill the players have, the level of coaching teams, it’s incomparable to the late ’90s, early ’00s. And a big reason why is obviously the GDO system going into Dublin." Also, do you have any explanation as to why Dublin increased titles across the board, winning 80 titles since 2005?
Donnielighto wrote: » I don't hunt and didn't say I did, I was offered one for last Saturday and tried to pass it on first. I like the sport but not the admin side and won't support it financially which is their bottom line and focus. Anyway this is moving off topic.
BonnieSituation wrote: » Ah, the "I have all the answers but i'm not telling you" trope. Good one.
RoyalCelt wrote: » I think if the disallowed goals were removed meath still would have won. Difference with Dublin was they were close games and the GAA clearly wanted Dublin to win.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Plus lets not forget the might of Dublin club football Kilmacud (Mannnion et al) were defeated by Mulinaughta Vinne's were also defeated by Rathnew of Wicklow - kept Connolly to two points
Bambi wrote: » Late 90's? lol that's a crock of horse ****e, go back and watch inter county games from the late 90s, they look like a Junior B kick about in comparison to nearly any good team now, club or county. In both Hurling and Football. Both games have improved immeasurably since then right across the board. F**k all to do with funding
