RoscommonTom wrote: » all the big sponsorhip money would be divided out equally between all the counties,
bucketybuck wrote: » IMO the GAA shouldn't even be trying to bridge that divide, the genie is out of the bottle and now they are asking the wrong questions. They need to take a long step back and really ask themselves where they think the sport is going. For example, if you wanted a GAA product that most resembles the game that has been played for the past century then you should not be looking at intercounty but at the clubs. But does the GAA give a single fart about the club scene? Of course not. They will spend 20 years dicking about with super 8's and super 16's and other mindless changes when if they spent 20 years building the club scene you could have a really good and competitive competition there.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I would like to see the DCB play games in the USA or Australia or England It would really put an end to the myth that the Dubs don't travelhttps://www.google.com/maps/dir/Parnell+Park,+Clancarthy+Road,+Dublin+5/Gaelic+Park,+201+W+240th+St,+The+Bronx,+NY+10463,+USA/@45.7014535,-58.0166866,4z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x48670fb317df2777:0xd58f12760047a5cd!2m2!1d-6.2165956!2d53.3729332!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c2f3bb489f65cf:0x5505e23dba46614c!2m2!1d-73.9014259!2d40.8876522!3e4 But that capacity is only 2k So then I thought about the giants stadium New York.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giants_Stadium Same capacity as Croke Park. Spotless Stadium Sydney has been used for GAA games 25khttps://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-in-syndey-a-home-away-from-home/ Villa Park/would be a good choice for a finalhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa_Park Over 40k Jack Grealish could bring out the Delaney Cup in the final Or maybe the London Stadium - West Ham's ground 80khttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Stadium Delcan Rice the obvious choice to bring out the Delaney cup. The leinster championship would be invigorated the hill could go on tour - build thier holidays around it. I am not sure any of the counties would win against Dublin while out in these places - but at least they could get a tan/sunburnt while getting a holiday. Plus they could go on the lash.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I would like to see the DCB play games in the USA or Australia or England It would really put an end to the myth that the Dubs don't travelhttps://www.google.com/maps/dir/Parnell+Park,+Clancarthy+Road,+Dublin+5/Gaelic+Park,+201+W+240th+St,+The+Bronx,+NY+10463,+USA/@45.7014535,-58.0166866,4z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x48670fb317df2777:0xd58f12760047a5cd!2m2!1d-6.2165956!2d53.3729332!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c2f3bb489f65cf:0x5505e23dba46614c!2m2!1d-73.9014259!2d40.8876522!3e4 But that capacity is only 2k So then I thought about the giants stadium New York.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giants_Stadium Same capacity as Croke Park. Spotless Stadium (showground stadium/giants stadium) Sydney has been used for GAA games 25khttps://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-in-syndey-a-home-away-from-home/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Showground_Stadium Villa Park/would be a good choice for a finalhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa_Park Over 40k Jack Grealish could bring out the Delaney Cup in the final Or maybe the London Stadium - West Ham's ground 80khttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Stadium Delcan Rice the obvious choice to bring out the Delaney cup. The leinster championship would be invigorated the hill could go on tour - build thier holidays around it. I am not sure any of the counties would win against Dublin while out in these places - but at least they could get a tan/sunburnt while getting a holiday. Plus they could go on the lash.
odyssey06 wrote: » I've no issue with a levy being put on all sponsorship deals of 25% to central HQ, as long as same applies to a county's fund-raising budget. Mayo's six figure fund-raising activities I am sure Leitrim would like a cut of that? 2016 – €840,179 2015 – €600,086 Sponsorship deals and fund-raisers aren't just money for nothing, there's player and manager access etc so there has to be significant rewards for the county involved too.
bruschi wrote: » This thread is some car crash. The amount of mis information on both sides of whatever argument are unreal. The worst thing though is peddling things as if they are facts when it is speculation or just general thought rehashed as some set in stone point of fact.
bruschi wrote: » There is also a perception this Dublin team is aging and will fall back to the pack, but yet it is proven, through statistics, that the age profile of the team since 2011 has only once been an average over 27, and that was in 2016. Every other year the average age of the team and squad is between 25 and 27. They continuously replenish their side and for some reason people now think that despite them doing this successfully for 9 years that all of a sudden it wont happen now.
rebel girl 15 wrote: » Fund raising budget?? Good luck getting that voted out of your club let alone your county for Congress! Boards should not be penalised for the fundraising they work hard to do - no matter what the size of the county. As for the sponsorship going into a central bucket - do people think sponsors would be happy with that? What are they going to get for their 25% going into a central fund? Do you think the title sponsors of the GAA will be happy with that given how much they have to pay to sponsor the championships and competitions? Do you think smaller county boards would be happy with 25% of their sponsorship money disappearing? What would happen is instead of sponsors giving their money, they would tie it up paying directly for things instead and bypass the county board - can’t be touched then
Happyilylost wrote: » https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/does-a-neutral-venue-lessen-a-gaa-favourites-chances-928077.html“Put simply, the favourite wins around eight out of 10 matches at home, but only 6.5 out of 10 matches at neutral venues. In many ways, the GAA has already been ahead of the curve in taking home advantage seriously." Keep deflecting. It would make things easier if points that seem to be fairly straightforward and still argued. Playing in Croke Park is an advantage to Dublin yes or no?
elefant wrote: » What point are you even trying to make here?
blanch152 wrote: » You are absolutely right on this. There is a huge amount of misinformation. Unfortunately, you are wrong on this, and are in danger of falling for the very pitfall you warned against of confusing speculation with fact. I have consistently through this thread and others looked back on old teams and old squads to show that while the Dublin team is evolving, it is evolving much slower than their competitors, be that Kerry, Donegal, Tyrone or Mayo. That will catch up on Dublin. Dublin have dominated for 9 seasons, the great Kerry team dominated for 11 seasons. It has been peddled on here repeatedly that that team didn't change over time.http://www.terracetalk.com/kerry-football/game/346/1985-Kerry-Vs-Monaghanhttp://www.terracetalk.com/kerry-football/game/504/1975-Kerry-Vs-Dublin The 1985 Kerry team only contained five survivors from 1975. The team evolved from 1975 to 1978 as they dealt with the defeats to Dublin in 1976 and 1977 (as did Dublin from 2011 to 2015 as they dealt with defeats to Donegal and Mayo as well as a change of manager), but the core of the team then remained from 1978 onwards (as has the Dublin team since 2015). The parallels are very similar. Like that Kerry team from 1978 onwards, Dublin now have a core of Cluxton, Cooper, McCarthy, McCaffrey, Fenton, Kilkenny, Mannion and Rock. Also like that Kerry team from 1978, Dublin will fall back again, once that core retires.
rebel girl 15 wrote: » If funding is an issue - there are hundreds of ways to raise funds, so that being trotted out as an excuse is rubbish.Cork have a GAA draw every month, other counties can find ways of getting that funding and instead of it being directed into the sinkholes that can be county teams, invest it in underage like Dublin did, like the Cork ladies did and with the right people you may be successful at senior level. It will give you a better chance at being successful that throwing the money at a senior team, and then that will generate income - success bringing sponsors and money.
Donnielighto wrote: » Payers have changed, Dublin have a healthy rotation and bar Kilkenny and cluxton I don't think anyone is consitently seen as a irreplaceable. Keeping half the team over 5 years is close enough to perfect replacement rate and isn't a golden generation thing. That kerry tram had 2 phases really. I don't see Dublin falling off tbh.
Donnielighto wrote: » Payers have changed, Dublin have a healthy rotation and bar Kilkenny and cluxton I don't think anyone is consitently seen as a irreplaceable. Keeping half the team over 5 years is close enough to perfect replacement rate and isn't a golden generation thing.
PressRun wrote: » Trampas wrote: » Why doesn’t barret get a job that’s involves working from home or get a job nearer to Mayo. Don't really give a **** about this topic, but this is an astoundingly stupid question and shows an incredibly out of touch view of the reality of rural Ireland.
Trampas wrote: » Why doesn’t barret get a job that’s involves working from home or get a job nearer to Mayo.
Augme wrote: » The problem is this is the kind of attitude people are up against when trying to have a rationale debate about the situation. At some point GAA will have to do something, until then the best thing to donas a GAA is switch off and not watch to help quicken the process.
blanch152 wrote: » You are absolutely right on this. There is a huge amount of misinformation. Unfortunately, you are wrong on this,
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I bet you will still be glued to the final though - willing Kerry on against the evil blue empire....
bruschi wrote: » Please show me where I am wrong so. The average ages for the teams I have are as follows: 2011 - 25.5 2013 - 24.8 2015 - 26.8 2016 - 27.4 2017 - 26.9 2018 - 26.3 That is the only fact I presented. If my facts are incorrect, I will put my hands up. So please, show me where I am wrong. The point I am making is that Dublin consistently replenish their side and adapt each season. I didnt mention Kerry from their era or talk about anything of that. That Dublin team that won in 2011 did not contain 6 of the 8 players you say are core players. Even in 2013, it had 6 of the 8 you mention as core players. 2015 was the first time all 8 of the core players played. 7 of your 8 core players are under 30, 4 of them 26 or under. There is a long time left for 7 of those 8 cores, particularly 4 of them. Players of the years from previous winning teams have retired or are now squad players and been replaced seamlessly. Why, after 9 years of Dublin keeping the average age of the team consistent and replacing players, do Dublin fans now think that they cant or wont keep doing this? They have quality players coming through from U20, for example Ciaran Archer is an absolute star and would start for the majority of inter county senior teams now, but can afford to work his way into the Dublin seniors. And on the flip side, people are claiming that maybe these Dublin young players wont step up whilst at the same time claiming that the Kerry minor 5 in a row automatically will step up and be challengers. They may or they may not, but the only fact I presented was that Dublin consistently replenish their side and have been successful at doing so. There is no form to show that this will suddenly stop. It's not a bad thing, every county should be able to do it and keep a fine balance of experienced players and new younger players coming through. Jim Gavin does it perfectly. Players get a year or 2 after U20 to get used to the training, play the early season games, get a few run outs and then be prepared to be a first choice starter at 23 or 24.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » How many leagues have Dublin won recently? How many times have they won away? Or got a result through sheer determination? Look at the Dublin's away results. The venue is not the main problem - the problem is other counties have mismanaged themselves and Dublin have managed themselves (at long last) Add in the most exceptional core of players to ever play the game and the other counties are left looking for excuses.
Donnielighto wrote: » I don't go to county games unless it's an unused ticket and I don't watch on TV anymore, illegally stream what I can. When Horan said anyone who wasn't at the Kerry Galway game wasn't a true fan I was was done with supporting the GAA financially.
elefant wrote: » Nobody is saying Dublin only win because they play in Croke Park, or that it's the main problem. Everyone is saying it's just another extra little advantage that Dublin have over every other team. I can't believe this even needs to be explained.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I admire your 'dedication' to your mini protest, but you STILL are drawn to the games one way or another - getting an unused ticket - and illegal streaming is just a cheaper way of watching the games. If you had no interest in it you would not be making such an effort to see the games in the first place.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I get that but my point was missed as usual - initially it was a massive disadvantage for Dublin playing in Croke park. The better teams preferred it. I lost count of the times I used to say great chance against Kerry in a tight Parnell - but Croke Park will suit Kerry - better players bigger pitch. None of that is remembered..... by detractors like yourself which is very convenient.
Fann Linn wrote: » I can't believe that it still has to be explained that this 'advantage' could be removed by every other county if they so wished.
