gormdubhgorm wrote: » And Dublin's plans for a 25k stadium in the spawell was scuppered by prices in Dublin
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » Dublin received a free stadium not Cork. Cork will have huge debts like every other county.
ClanofLams wrote: » Is there any justification for Dublin to receive almost thirteen times what Cork received from ‘07 to ‘18? When the population difference is two and a half times?.
BonnieSituation wrote: » Wow 1957! They are truly giants of the game. Nothing to worry about with a population of nearly 130,000 and bugger all to show for it. Cork got a free stadium? I know. Disgraceful. --- And we put all that money into what exactly? Did the bulk of it go to the Senior Football team (like say, Mayo) or did we incest it in soley elite underage structures (like say, Kerry) or did we ignore the other sports of the GAA (like say Kilkenny) or did we get our shít together and invest all around the county to ensure greater exposure for ALL children to play regardless? I mean, if I was a neighbouring county I'd be asking for help with trying to sort ourselves out. Wouldn't you? We're clearly good at it. Tell me this, how much money were GAlway GAA bailed out for? Or Cork? Why is that money not important?
Strabanimal wrote: » Calling them west brits continuously clearly worked.
y0ssar1an22 wrote: » adjust for the total population of dublin, or the population that can play inter county for dublin? as in disregard the mayo players that live in dublin for example
ClanofLams wrote: » I wouldn’t call it doping but there is no denying the transformative impact massive funding has had. If you read back the thread you will find the answers to your questions. Dublin haven’t yet won an All Ireland hurling title because they started from a base where they were losing to Westmeath. They have won their first Leinster title in fifty years and their first national hurling league title ever. A Dublin club has won back to back all Irelands when Dublin clubs had previously won one Leinster club title in their history. The increase in juvenile success has also been documented earlier in the thread.
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » Louth won an AI in 1957. Dublin received 13 times more GDF than Cork despite only 2.5 times the population. There's your reason. They also received a free stadium.
blanch152 wrote: » 6 different clubs have won this century.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_Senior_Hurling_Championship In Tipperary, six different clubs have won this century:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipperary_Senior_Hurling_Championship Thurles Sarsfields with 8 have been more dominant than Ballyboden with seven.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilkenny_Senior_Hurling_Championship In Kilkenny it has been seven, with Ballyhale as dominant with seven as Ballyboden in Dublin. One of the things that most annoys Dublin fans on this forum is the ignorance displayed both about the county team and the clubs within the county. Anyone with a small bit of knowledge about the club hurling scene, or who took five minutes to check wouldn't have posted the above. If you are going to construct an argument against Dublin, at least get the facts correct, and when it comes to the money, include all the money all of the counties get, and then adjust it per capita.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » For anyone who REALLY wants to know why Dublin are dominant at the moment Read thishttps://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0402/1040302-fenton-mccaffrey-kilkenny/ An exceptional group of players in Dublin North and South in 2005 under 12
Gachla wrote: » It's not just the Dublin senior footballers though is it? If it was just them it could be explained away, it's women's football, men's hurling, club football and hurling, underage, basically, Dublin GAA has improved in all areas. This has happened at the same time that Dublin got a huge increase in funding. It can't be just a coincidence? I saw this table on another website, it's not very pretty but it shows the big improvements in Dublin GAA.
BonnieSituation wrote: » And the second you do that you lose EVERY Dublin supporter. Sure while you're splitting us, amalgamate all the Ulster counties for hurling and Sligo and Leitrim should be one team as well. Not to mention Longford and Westmeath. Why not.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » For anyone who REALLY wants to know why Dublin are dominant at the moment Read thishttps://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0402/1040302-fenton-mccaffrey-kilkenny/ An exceptional group of players in Dublin North and South in 2005 under 12 It all comes down to players who happen to be an exceptional generation - sometimes this just happens. It happened with Ajax in the 70's. 95, and this year. Now it has happened Dublin. If finances really made that much difference how come the Dublin hurlers have not won Liam McCarthy? Who won the minor and u20s in the football this year? How much money does JP put into Limerick? Look at the facilities of club Tyrone's centre of excellence world class. I think people who call Dublin's success 'doping' are not only ignorant of true facts - but insulting to the best team many of us will ever see in our lifetimes. Frankly I think people who use the term 'Dublin doping' should hang thier heads in shame.
BonnieSituation wrote: » And the second you do that you lose EVERY Dublin supporter. Sure while you're splitting us, amalgamate all the Ulster counties for hurling and Sligo and Leitrim should be one team as well. Not to mention Longford and Westmeath. Why not. Why don't we investigate why the likes of Louth, Wicklow, Kildare etc haven't done much in nearly a century or why Cork and Galway are disgracefully underachieving given their resources? They're the true scandals of the GAA.
Deleted User wrote: » It's not good for football to see such dominance, be that by Dublin or Kerry or whatever. In fact, it's awfully boring, and most of us can acknowledge that the best games have been with genuinely competitive rivals- e.g. Meath v. Dublin in the late 80s/early 90s. Likewise with Kilkenny in hurling - absolutely awful and a sharp contrast to the superb hurling competition of the late 1990s. Both sports were reborn because of that rivalry. My aim would be to divide Dublin up in a way which maximises the rivalry, and avoids the current David v. Goliath stuff. If Dublin were to be divided into 4 or 5 county teams, what would be the best divisions? Fingal has a very distinctive and ancient history to support a separate team, but how good would it be? Geographically it looks massive in the map below, so could it be two 'county' teams? Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown would be unwieldy as a county name, but what sort of boundaries could be made in that area?
odyssey06 wrote: » If it is rotten please explain the corruption that has led it to occur and persist. Or it isnt rotten. The GAA took a decision to promote the sports - both codes - in the most competitive environment for sports in the country. Or risk losing out on generations of kids to soccer or rugby. There are lots of discrepancies in funding between counties and in spinsorship. Looking at the twitter table it has not affected results on the field significantly. Or we would not expect to see Tyrone in a semi final given they got same funding as Leitrim and half as much as Meath. There was nothing rotten about it. If you have information to the contrary please share it.
RoyalCelt wrote: » Well you have the best u20 attacker in the country to add in next year. That Archer lad is a machine. Dublin only need to add 2-3 players to the panel each year and before long another golden Dublin crop will arrive with 5 or 6 players. The numbers playing in the capital is growing, the support they get superior and don't forget you've got the best volunteers in the country! I know you're still hurt from the days when you got beaten by counties a tenth of your size but those days won't be back. You'll be lucky to lose 1 knock out championship match in the next 10 years. You've only lost 1 in the last 6 and 2 in the last 8. Ridiculous. Young Dublin fans don't know the meaning of pain as a fan.
Donnielighto wrote: » Occam's Razor. It is the simplest reason as to why it is Dublin as opposed to any other especially when parallel to the football and the right timeframe to be related to the funding.
LeinsterDub wrote: » Fancy having another go at why Dublin aren't dominating Hurling so? Given they've all the same advantages as the footballers?
odyssey06 wrote: » I think Dublin GAA have got their act together and that comes through across the board to get Dublin playing to its potential. I dont think funding is needed necessarily to explain it. There is no nationwide pattern in the funding table versus county results. But even if it were true it would probably be a worthy goal of GAA funding to boost another competitive hurling county.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Yep 2011 won it against the run of play v Kerry - Kerry pulled up were caught cold momentum shifted 2013 - Although Dublin controlled the game O'Connor's dilly dallying aided Dublin's win 2016 - was delighted with the draw Mayo should defo have won the first game stupid og's keeper mistakes - in the second game Costello won it with his three points from the bench - thought Dublin deserved it 2017 - if O'connor had got his free instead of hitting the post could easily have been a draw I honestly cannot see Dublin dominating in five years time. The quality coming through is just not the same as Fenton, Mannion, McCarthy, Scully, Kilkenny will be in thier 30's - Cluxton will be gone, Rock will likely be gone 34 Nothing lasts forever and all great teams fade.
ClanofLams wrote: » It’s clearly transformative given the previous fifty years of results, two good years aside. This has been by far and away the best decade for hurling in the last sixty years. Coincidentally it’s also happening when their footballers are enjoying a period of dominance unparalleled in the history of Dublin football. Both of which are coincidentally happening after a dramatic increase in funding fifteen to twenty years ago. You must be a big believer in coincidence.
Gachla wrote: » It is a bit in fairness but the figures are obscene. I found another one, I think it's from the same person. Again, ignore the title.
Breaston Plants wrote: » At the end of the day it's 15 v 15 on the pitch. It's up to others to catch up with them. Fair play to them, best team ever.
odyssey06 wrote: » I dont understand why if Offaly could join the top hurling teams in the 80s and 90s and fall away... Dublin cannot repeat the same feat in the 00s and 10s without eyebrows being raised. Funding does not explain Offalys rise and fall. It is not necessarily needed to explain Dublins. Arguably given population size the outlier is not Dublins current level but their level in the 00s which was actually much poorer than that of the late 80s and early 90s.
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