The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

Dublin will win 10 in a row, football is ruined when there's a monster that cannot be beaten drumming out 10 point hidings to everyone else. I'm not sure how you fix it

Mantis Toboggan

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Dublin will win 10 in a row, football is ruined when there's a monster that cannot be beaten drumming out 10 point hidings to everyone else. I'm not sure how you fix it

Play the all Ireland football Final somewhere other than in Dublin. Take the home advantage away. If the final was in Killarney I'd have it a 50/50.

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Play the all Ireland football Final somewhere other than in Dublin. Take the home advantage away. If the final was in Killarney I'd have it a 50/50.

It's not just home advantage. See what Chris Barrett has to go through to be part of the Mayo panel
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/work/mayo-s-chris-barrett-balancing-work-and-play-for-gaa-not-sustainable-any-more-1.3981640

The high horse brigade wrote: »

It's not just home advantage. See what Chris Barrett has to go through to be part of the Mayo panel
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/work/mayo-s-chris-barrett-balancing-work-and-play-for-gaa-not-sustainable-any-more-1.3981640

People having to commute is nothing to do with the GAA and there is nothing they can do about it. That’s just a pain for some players.

salmocab wrote: »

People having to commute is nothing to do with the GAA and there is nothing they can do about it. That’s just a pain for some players.

They can make it semi-professional and start rewarding players in some way for their efforts

The high horse brigade wrote: »

They can make it semi-professional and start rewarding players in some way for their efforts

Amazingly this is exactly the thing that should be in the stickies thread that everyone gave out about as it’s nothing to do with Dublin

salmocab wrote: »

Amazingly this is exactly the thing that should be in the stickies thread that everyone gave out about as it’s nothing to do with Dublin

It's one of the many advantages the Dubs have that leads to this total dominance. Other counties need help to get to the professional level Dublin are at

The high horse brigade wrote: »

It's one of the many advantages the Dubs have that leads to this total dominance

Why don't they dominate in hurling too or at least reach semi final stage

The high horse brigade wrote: »

It's one of the many advantages the Dubs have that leads to this total dominance

It’s definitely an advantage and a big one but there is nothing that could be done about it. People live and work where they need to. This isn’t a GAA issue though.

Blueshoe wrote: »

Why don't they dominate in hurling too or at least reach semi final stage

I don't now, you tell me? Are you trying to deny there's a huge dominance in football or a multitude of advantages?

salmocab wrote: »

People having to commute is nothing to do with the GAA and there is nothing they can do about it. That’s just a pain for some players.

True but it's a factor. Dublin are dominant for a number of reasons.

Firstly they are incredibly well run as a GAA organisation and the senior football team specifically. Coupled with the competent management they have a huge player base relative to other counties. Even allowing for the primacy of rugby and soccer in some areas the player numbers are much larger than any other county providing a larger player pool with more depth.
Due to the size of clubs a large number of them are able to field multiple teams this helps ensure club players are playing at or near the appropriate level which helps progression.

The player numbers have been helped by the growth of Dublin population overall but in the early 2000s the targeted development of the game in Dublin as a response to soccer and possibly rugby was very successful the fruits of which are being seen now and probably continuing. With the influx of people from outside of Dublin to the suburbs some newer families may have more GAA tendencies proportionately.

Being the biggest market in GAA means Dublin are very attractive and valuable for marketing and sponsorship. Both the GAA and Dublin themselves are aware of this and while Dublin make their own well worked deals they GAA get plenty of money into Central coffers. The money allows for development programmes and the best training treatment etc needed.

So Dublin has a strong and growing GAA culture, large and increasing population, the most resources and is well run on a macro level and everything directly related to on-field stuff. Basically once Dublin stay the course in terms of how they are run from the top down they should dominate football. It would need a few barren years talent-wise and a very good crop in another well run and financed county to challenge and even then Dublin's depth is ridiculous.

The high horse brigade wrote: »

I don't now, you tell me? Are you trying to deny there's a huge dominance in football or unfair advantages?

Obviously they are dominating football now. But it won't last forever. Kerry have won the last 5 minor championships in a row and Dublin haven't won one since 2012. It's cyclical like most things.
It will end eventually. Golden crop of players now.

Blueshoe wrote: »

Why don't they dominate in hurling too or at least reach semi final stage

Dont have the playerbase. Basically just colaiste eoin (might eb wrong on the school name) plays it I think, they are excellent though but at around 1400 students not enough. If the game takes off and it seems to be then I could see Dublin challenging very quickly. It will need to be in primary schools though and those player will need to come through to have players who had it from young enough.

jr86

Poll needed - how many in a row? :pac:

I'll go a tentative 10 for now. To be re-assessed in 3 years

As for the final. A conservative 8-10 point win prediction. Absolutely buzzing for it now :pac:

Donnielighto wrote: »

Dont have the playerbase. Basically just colaiste eoin (might eb wrong on the school name) plays it I think, they are excellent though but at around 1400 students not enough. If the game takes off and it seems to be then I could see Dublin challenging very quickly. It will need to be in primary schools though and those player will need to come through to have players who had it from young enough.

There are 16 senior hurling clubs in Dublin.

Blueshoe wrote: »

Obviously they are dominating football now. But it won't last forever. Kerry have won the last 5 minor championships in a row and Dublin haven't won one since 2012. It's cyclical like most things.
It will end eventually. Golden crop of players now.

I'm not sure it'll fall off, we could easily see 10 in a row with the talent they have coming through year after year. That's going to cause issues, already is.

Blueshoe wrote: »

There are 16 senior hurling clubs in Dublin.

And the county team is improving but they are 16 Dublin senior clubs I don't know if that would be the same quality as other counties. Don't ballyboden dominate every year and have only recently started performing in Leinster. Depth is improving but not there yet.

jr86

Donnielighto wrote: »

And the county team is improving but they are 16 Dublin senior clubs I don't know if that would be the same quality as other counties. Don't ballyboden dominate every year and have only recently started performing in Leinster. Depth is improving but not there yet.

Well not exactly... Cuala won 2 all irelands in a row 2017 and 18!!

The high horse brigade wrote: »

I'm not sure it'll fall off, we could easily see 10 in a row with the talent they have coming through year after year. That's going to cause issues, already is.

Boylesports will give you 12/1 on 10 in a row.
No chance of it happening.

As I said Kerry have won 5 minor championships in a row. Dublin haven't won one since 2012.
It's cyclical

Donnielighto wrote: »

And the county team is improving but they are 16 Dublin senior clubs I don't know if that would be the same quality as other counties. Don't ballyboden dominate every year and have only recently started performing in Leinster. Depth is improving but not there yet.

Think cuala might have the quality of a lot of top clubs

Donnielighto wrote: »

And the county team is improving but they are 16 Dublin senior clubs I don't know if that would be the same quality as other counties. Don't ballyboden dominate every year and have only recently started performing in Leinster. Depth is improving but not there yet.

Your knowledge of Dublin hurling is outdated. No offense intended.

Ballyboden won in 2018 and hadn't won a championship for 5 years before that

Blueshoe wrote: »

Boylesports will give you 12/1 on 10 in a row.
No chance of it happening.

As I said Kerry have won 5 minor championships in a row. Dublin haven't won one since 2012.
It's cyclical

Ye'r like flat earthers!
Dublin are a professional outfit. Don't think i'm knocking it, it's a credit to you. There's a need to put a huge focus on getting other counties to the same professional level as Dublin

jr86 wrote: »

Well not exactly... Cuala won 2 all irelands in a row 2017 and 18!!

You're right, ballyboden haven't been dominant for a while. At any rate as I said they are improving at a county level. The question was why don't they dominate in hurling, I think playerbase and the age players start, the player numbers are improving but I do feel that you'll see a big upsurge when the guys who got a chance to play in primary come through. There are a lot more schools playing it now aren't there?

Blueshoe wrote: »

Your knowledge of Dublin hurling is outdated. No offense intended.

Ballyboden won in 2018 and hadn't won a championship for 5 years before that

Yeah it is, Jesus it doesn't feel that long ago that they were always winning. Rest stands though, see clarification above.

ToBeFrank123

Gaelic football is in a GAA led death spiral at this stage.
Dublin dominance is a symptom of incompetent leadership.
While its not the fault of Dublin, the influence of Dublin on GAA thinking and planning is wholly disproportionate. The GAA became obsessed with helping Dublin at the start of the millenium and it was only a matter of time before the millions pumped in translated into senior mens, club, u21 and ladies success and/or dominance.

The GAA created a monster and now are unable to tame or reverse the problem. So the death spiral will continue indefinately with falling interest and attendences.

When you financially dope one county above all others you destroy the competitiveness of the sport.