seligehgit wrote: » Corny I much respect your opinion as I know of old you so rightly study the minutiae of the game greatly whilst not always agreeing with you. I thought he did a very decent article on our kickouts last week. Re this article to the winners all the plaudits go and lionising of same.Totally agree with you re Quinlavin.I get the impression you believe there is a certain hype around our Keegan which he ill deserves.The journalist has only so many words per article and as you well know is in the business of trying to hype up contests.That's the context.Some of us are simple creatures and deal in brass tacks. I have'nt watched the match back as yet but agree Murphy came out on top.He has been nowhere near his best this season. Re Paddy,it's best said that Ryan McHugh is not expected to largely carry out defensive duties to same degree as less important players.So the two lads were largely left to their own devices and the three points on the scoreboard indicate Paddy came out well on top.TBH as you say it the O Sheas and Boyle and the team as a totality should get the plaudits. The article is more interesting in terms of the attempt at lateral thinking/thinking outside the box in an attempt to nullify to of the greatest threats Dublin possess because that's going to be necessary if we're going to have a shot at winning this game.Tis like a game of chess.Keegan has played in varied positions which might be considered outside his comfort zone full back against Sean Kavanagh and midfield against Enda Smith.I am hoping Paddy is a good match up for McCaffrey. Unfortunately I think your team possess too many threats for us to nullify.I think your first 15,McCaffrey,Fenton,O Callaghan and Mannion in particular have greatly improved and Howard has added a new dimension.Too many things at the moment will have to go right for us on the day.Most importantly we will likely need a conversion rate of 60+%. I can't agree that McCarthy is overrated,he won the 2017 final for Dublin when it was there for the taking at the death.A wonderful footballer.
wirelessdude01 wrote: » The amount of people trying to unload unwanted tickets today is frightening. MadWest Radio is like a one stop shop for all your unwanted ticketing needs
corny wrote: » Genuinely flattered. Thanks. I don't mean to downplay Keegan or Durcan (especially not Durcan) as footballers. Both are brilliant competitors and great attackers but I do think Keegan is overrated as a defender. There's an unquestioned group think at play that he is man marker extraordinaire. He's not. I don't see him make the interventions good man markers make. Quite the contrary, i regularly see him beaten when his man has the ball. Doesn't happen to great defenders. Johnny Cooper for example. He has made a career out of beating his man to the ball and being especially difficult to go around. Thats what a man marker does. In a game littered with dispossessions how many were Keegans last week? He still came out with credit in some quarters. He's been anonymous all season if we're honest. Whats the bets he gets an All Star nomination. Reputation counts for a lot in peoples perception in these things and its not just Mayo players that stand out for me. You probably remember my problem with Cian O' Sullivan the master sweeper and his 'unseen' work a few years back. Colm Cavanagh the same. Or Brian Howard who has been walking on water this summer and last. He hasn't established a huge reputation yet though. Last year he was wrongfully overlooked for YFOTY and this year despite being easily Dublins best player to date he's overlooked in the build up to this game and more than likely the end of season awards. The same for Mannion and James McCarthy. They had to forge a reputation before people actually acknowledged what they were doing on the pitch. I'm ranting now but Mannion scored 6 or 7 points from play against Monaghan a few years back. It was a display worthy of reverence. It was ****ing ignored in the media. If Andy Moran or Bernard Brogan did it.... Watch what Keegan does as a defender and don't rely on the fact his man mightn't score. Correlation and causation and all that.
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flasher0030 wrote: » I think you're definition of a good defender is way too narrow. You're talking about corner back style teak tight on your man, holding onto the shorts, jersey etc. The distinction between defender, midfielder and forwards has become a bit more blurred in the past 15 or so years, with rotation policies happening. You can't just judge a player that named in the backs because he hasn't XX number of dispossessions. for Paddy Durcan last week, he got 2 first half points against Ryan McHugh. Laid down a marker - to put that tiny bit of doubt into McHugh's head before he goes bombing forward. McHugh became disillusioned. Confidence drained. I think he only touched the ball 12 times in the whole game. Same with Keegan. He shadows people around, and looks to make the intelligent attacking run. See what he did to Ciaran Kilkenny couple of years ago. Connolly couple of times. It disrupts their focus on what their own principle role is. Many players get sucked into the game, full swing, hammer and tongs. But a little intelligence can also get you a long way. Keegan has that in a game. Good composure. The incident with the GPS tracker device would have been genius if it had the effect he wanted it i.e. if it caught Dean Rock's eyesight. Who would have the wits to think of that in the last few minutes of a frantic all ireland final.
flasher0030 wrote: » I could be wrong, but I think he goes down in folklore because he caught a ball at the end of one of the Mayo Dublin matches, I think it was the one where the Dublin forwards hauled down the Mayo backs. And he did something else good at the end of the game as well. I can't remember. But then the legend became that James McCarthy dragged Dublin over the line. I think it was something like that.
corny wrote: » I just don't find any of that (especially the bold bit) convincing. What you're effectively saying is defending is judged on how many points you score against your man. Its not. Defending should be judged on how well you stop your opponent. Durcan made one tackle on McHugh. That was it. It was McHughs fault he couldn't get into the game and that can (and did imo) happen without any contribution from Paddy. It wasn't like McHugh was the only Donegal player with his head up his arse on the day. Durcan scored three super points, McHugh had an off day and henceforth Paddy Durcan will be known as a tight man marker! Thats the way these things are judged. Keegans/Durcans stock as a man marker rises when they score points. How does that work? Is scoring a point worth two tackles or interceptions or something. Its mystifying. For balance and not to just pick on Mayo players Philly McMahon is another good example. Great man for a score, loads of football in him and that seems to mask the fact he is an absolute liability as a defender. Stands a mile off his man and doesn't seem interested in ever closing down space to get a tackle in.
Chalk McHugh wrote: » James McCarthy wasn't in the game at all in 2017 in first half. He was cleaned out in.midfield area. He came into the game in last 25 minutes scoring two crucial points. Great player over the years but he lacks the real stardust quality the likes of Fenton, McCaffrey and Kilkenny have.
flasher0030 wrote: » Many players get sucked into the game, full swing, hammer and tongs. But a little intelligence can also get you a long way. Keegan has that in a game. Good composure. The incident with the GPS tracker device would have been genius if it had the effect he wanted it i.e. if it caught Dean Rock's eyesight. Who would have the wits to think of that in the last few minutes of a frantic all ireland final.
spurshero wrote: » Cleaned out . Lol. He got the man of match award
Pdoghue wrote: » Seriously, you're saying that what he did with the GPS is to be lauded?
Coillte_Bhoy wrote: Actually im wondering the same, is it a free for all or do people respect the booked seats? Not too pushed but dont fancy standing for the journey. Anyway looking forward to it, haent been to a match by train for a while either
Lisbon67 wrote: » No Brogan, ROC, or EOG
jr86 wrote: » Connolly unsurprisingly set to feature Will give the crowd some lift in fairness. Given his quality he had to be picked really
cute geoge wrote: » Connolly on his performance against tyrone last sunday won't pose much problem,i also taught MDmC was fairly rusty .The dublin subs bench is awesome though
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