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Killer Robots

Fathom

Drones occupy battlefields today. Airborne. Strike targets. Automated warfare exists today. This technology said to be an expanding "continuum." AI weapons development replacing direct human involvement. Should limits be placed on such “lethal autonomous weapons?” Computer scientist Stewart Russell at University of California at Berkeley thinks so. But is it too late? Ask I-Robot? Terminator? Sci Fi leads the way? Ref: http://www.popsci.com/big-idea-killer-robots-are-coming

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Midster

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

AI still sucks at visual recognition.

Butterflies labelled as washing machines, alligators as hummingbirds and dragonflies that become bananas.

And those were well lit pictures of complete objects hardly real world conditions.

Although true some years ago your theory’s are out of date. Things like what you are talking about held up the production of safe self driving cars for years. There now well past it. Picking robots at amazon for example can now identify mostly every product, deicide for themselves how hard to squeeze it when picking it up, and indeed were on the product is safe to squeeze it and pick it up. Secret AI developments are now so lifelike, and so capable it’s scary

Midster

Black Swan wrote: »

Reminds me of ole movie: "The Enemy Below" (1957).

If you ever wanted to form a robot army and keep it secret and safe from harm. The logical place to put it and form it while they are manufactured on land, would be in the ocean. A terrifying thought for all you sun worshipers laying lazily on the beach in the future. Lol

Midster

Fathom wrote: »

Drones occupy battlefields today. Airborne. Strike targets. Automated warfare exists today. This technology said to be an expanding "continuum." AI weapons development replacing direct human involvement. Should limits be placed on such “lethal autonomous weapons?” Computer scientist Stewart Russell at University of California at Berkeley thinks so. But is it too late?

Ask I-Robot? Terminator? Sci Fi leads the way?

Ref: http://www.popsci.com/big-idea-killer-robots-are-coming

If we could resist using, or nullify the use of nuclear weapons, the battlefields of the future truly would be a sight to behold. Who knows what tricks and toys the US secretly have right now in there Arsenal, just in case they ever need it. Let alone the Russians, and that’s right now! Who knows what the future holds. The battles taking each other out would last a lot longer though than the direct battle after against us

Fathom

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

How can you recognise when a politician is lying ? Their lips move.

Like the Disney Trump presidential robot.

Capt'n Midnight

Black Swan wrote: »

Depends on how you define criminal? Are we discussing suspected criminal activities, or arrests, or convictions?

How can you recognise when a politician is lying ?

Their lips move.

SlowBlowin

Yes for a policing robot (killer) community policing would be just sorting the data (by proximity to the crime) prior to the matching process.

[Deleted User]

SlowBlowin wrote: »

So AI vision might "suck" at this task, but it does it much better than a human can, producing a scored list of possible matches in minutes not lifetimes.

Big data analytics.

SlowBlowin wrote: »

At a local level, the data set is smaller and a guard who knows his local criminal population would be far superior.

Community policing.

[Deleted User]

SlowBlowin wrote: »

The ratio of 1 in 5 politicians being a criminal is lower than I expected...:)

Depends on how you define criminal? Are we discussing suspected criminal activities, or arrests, or convictions?

SlowBlowin

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

They were only comparing to a data base of 25,000 crims

With a larger dataset more matches could be made ?

The FBI have records on 77.7 million people in the US

So if a human took 3 or 4 seconds per comparison the original dataset would take a working week to go through. The full FBI data set would take someone their entire working life to go through.

So AI vision might "suck" at this task, but it does it much better than a human can, producing a scored list of possible matches in minutes not lifetimes.

At a local level, the data set is smaller and a guard who knows his local criminal population would be far superior.

Note: Future headline "Killer robot with inaccurate face detection kills one fifth of all politicians.."

Capt'n Midnight

SlowBlowin wrote: »

The ratio of 1 in 5 politicians being a criminal is lower than I expected...:)

They were only comparing to a data base of 25,000 crims

With a larger dataset more matches could be made ?

The FBI have records on 77.7 million people in the US

SlowBlowin

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

You need to watch Das Boot.

Anyway AI vision still sucks
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/08/14/amazons_facial_recog_fingers_1_in_5_lawmakers_as_crims/

If computer vision was stopped now you would notice the difference. Not just small stuff like unlocking your phone, cancer diagnosis and supermarket vegetable prices for example would suffer.

The human brain and vision system is remarkable and "generally" a magnitude better than computer vision. However for niche applications where speed, reliability, and/or workplace conditions are important they excel.

The ratio of 1 in 5 politicians being a criminal is lower than I expected...:)

[Deleted User]

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

You need to watch Das Boot.

Indeed.

Capt'n Midnight

Black Swan wrote: »

Reminds me of ole movie: "The Enemy Below" (1957).

You need to watch Das Boot.

Anyway AI vision still sucks
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/08/14/amazons_facial_recog_fingers_1_in_5_lawmakers_as_crims/

Amazon's Rekognition system wrongly matched one in five Californian politicians with images from a database of 25,000 wanted criminals'
...
Last month, police in Orlando, Florida, ditched Amazon's cloud-based recog system which they were trialling on live surveillance feeds because, despite a year of trying, they could not get it to work.

[Deleted User]

Fathom wrote: »

RoboSub killers?

Reminds me of ole movie: "The Enemy Below" (1957).

Fathom

Black Swan wrote: »

2020 International RoboSub Competition: Details Coming Soon!

RoboSub killers?

[Deleted User]

RoboSub is an exciting underwater robotics program in which teams of high school and college students from around the world design and build an Autonomous Underwater Vehicle (AUV). These vehicles are designed to autonomously navigate through a series of tasks. These tasks mimic ongoing research in Autonomous Underwater Systems.

2020 International RoboSub Competition: Details Coming Soon!

Fathom

Black Swan wrote: »

The Robotic Alliance Project. NASA gives an extensive list of competitions.

Cool comprehensive list.

[Deleted User]

The Robotic Alliance Project. NASA gives an extensive list of competitions.

Capt'n Midnight

In other news the Pentagon are spending $10Bn on AI and Google won't bid because its too evil. And they let third parties listen in to your voice.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-45798153

Fathom

RECF in April 2020?

[Deleted User]

Robotics Education & Competition Foundation.

Fathom

Black Swan wrote: »

Makes you wonder about airport facial recognition systems.

Makes angry face. AI attacks!

[Deleted User]

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

The only way you could make it easier for the "AI" would be to have a barcode tattooed on your forehead.

Shhhhhhhhhhhh Capt'n. If the fool in the highest office across the pond reads this, he will policy tweet it, claiming it was a product of his self-proclaimed genius. Real ID's for all citizens today; forehead barcodes tomorrow.

Capt'n Midnight

Black Swan wrote: »

Makes you wonder about airport facial recognition systems.

You mean the ones that already know they are looking at a face ,
and where you can't smile,
or wear glasses,
or hats,
and have to look straight ahead,
at a fixed point,
while standing a fixed distance,
under ideal lighting conditions ?

The only way you could make it easier for the "AI" would be to have a barcode tattooed on your forehead.

[Deleted User]

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

AI still sucks at visual recognition.

Makes you wonder about airport facial recognition systems.

Capt'n Midnight

AI still sucks at visual recognition.

Butterflies labelled as washing machines, alligators as hummingbirds and dragonflies that become bananas.

A squirrel was identified as a sea lion and a dragonfly as a manhole cover

A mushroom became a pretzel and a bullfrog, a squirrel

And those were well lit pictures of complete objects hardly real world conditions.

Rubecula

"Snap crackle and graunch" ?

Fathom

Imagines killer robot spooning nuts and bolts out of bowl for breakfast feeding.

Rubecula

mechanical obsolete things and grease?

[Deleted User]

Rubecula wrote: »

and sleeping to eating do'nuts pretty please with knobs on

Human consumption, but what do killer robots eat?