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M7 - Naas/Newbridge Bypass Upgrade [Junction 9a now open]

JupiterKid

Following on from the suggestion of a poster, this thread has been set up to discuss the need for widening the M7.

The section of the M7 IMO in immediate need (really a backlog need) for widening is the section from the Maudlins Interchange at Naas to the M9 interchange - basically the original 1983 Naas Bypass and half of the 1993 Newbridge Bypass. Is this likely to proceed in the near future?

Would the central median be wide enough for widening to D3M here? I'm pretty sure it is wide enough on the Newbridge bypass section but I'm not so sure in the case of the Naas Bypass.

Also, what bridges will need to be demolished and rebuilt? Or would it be more practical to drop the hard shoulder through the existing bridges?

What about the proposal a few years back to build a new junction at on the Naas Bypass at Osberstown? Will it still go ahead?

In the longer term, does anyone see a need to widen the M7 to the N7/M8 junction?

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Maruney

Do you think Garda traffic corp. will ever enforce lane discipline on our motorways?
Anyone understand why drivers think its ok to just sit in the middle lane, I cant see the confusion in simply keeping left.

beertons

harr wrote: »

If closing the newhall - Rathangan road how do we access the M7 business park ?
I have to pick up tiles next week and not sure how to get in any other way ..

Coming from Rathangan, take a left at the thatched house and head to Caragh. Straight through, then take the path towards the bundle of sticks roundabout, and head in that way.

WhatsGoingOn2

harr wrote: »

If closing the newhall - Rathangan road how do we access the M7 business park ?
I have to pick up tiles next week and not sure how to get in any other way ..

According to this, it is closed for Irish Water works, nothing to do with M7 roadworks. So you'll likely be able to access it from the Naas side.
http://www.kildare.ie/CountyCouncil/PressReleasesAdverts/TempClosingofRoadsNoticeofDecisionL2030RathanganRoad.html

harr

If closing the newhall - Rathangan road how do we access the M7 business park ?
I have to pick up tiles next week and not sure how to get in any other way ..

road_high

WhatsGoingOn2 wrote: »

The Naas/Rathangan road is closed next week from Newhall. Are they closing up all junctions there next week?

Yes that caught me out. Is that going to be a permanent thing? With the new lower junction

road_high

Consider myself a fairly sharp driver but confused as hell today! I wanted to get
come off the M7 at Naas for the Rathangan exit and backroads towards Sallins/Clane. Seems that’s closed now? I came off at the new junction before it in any case. You then have to crossover the M7 and onto unfinished layout up to the next junction.
Coming back I was worse stupidly ended up taking the Dublin exit and had to go all the way to to the rioting Naas and back again....! The sooner all junctions are open, finished and Sallins bypass open the better

WhatsGoingOn2

harr wrote: »

So have the speed vans abandoned the new stretch of road ? Have been on it most days over the last week and I haven’t seen any enforcement of the 80km.
I have noticed some people still doing the 60 while most are tipping along at 120. I have seen a few close calls where people doing 80 have changed to the left lane to make a junction and coming close to hitting cars doing ( why they were not in left lane all along is a mystery) .

I have seen 2 cars pulled in this week by unmarked Garda cars, but no speed vans

harr

So have the speed vans abandoned the new stretch of road ? Have been on it most days over the last week and I haven’t seen any enforcement of the 80km.
I have noticed some people still doing the 60 while most are tipping along at 120. I have seen a few close calls where people doing 80 have changed to the left lane to make a junction and coming close to hitting cars doing ( why they were not in left lane all along is a mystery) .

ipodrocker

anyone have any pics?

WhatsGoingOn2

The Naas/Rathangan road is closed next week from Newhall. Are they closing up all junctions there next week?

marno21

There's signage at J9 for Naas North as R450, is this a new number for the northern ring road?

mfceiling

SoupyNorman wrote: »

Ive observed more people cutting from lane 3 to 1 to make the M9 off ramp.

It wouldn't matter if the speed limit was 120, 80 or 40... the same self centred pricks will constantly do this to the end of time.

SoupyNorman

marno21 wrote: »

Indeed. I have driven this road once since the 3 lanes opened and saw two vehicles swerve at the M9 diverge. Whilst that’s just one observation it presumably is a regular occurrence there

Ive observed more people cutting from lane 3 to 1 to make the M9 off ramp.

Overall, the upgrade is a success so far. I feel the real big test will the dark November mornings and evenings. If we’re still flowing smoothly than we can sign it off a success.

We can not blame one off accidents, idiotic driver behavior, people who refuse to get in lane early on the upgrade. We’ve been given more room, used wisely it should be sufficient to accommodate us for the next 20 years.

marno21

BuzzFish wrote: »

I don't think the new road can be tested until the speed limit is back up to 120 and the junctions are completed. I'm convinced that at least some of the misuse of lanes is due to people being unsure if they are In a lane that will slip off or not when in lane 1.

Indeed. I have driven this road once since the 3 lanes opened and saw two vehicles swerve at the M9 diverge. Whilst that’s just one observation it presumably is a regular occurrence there

BuzzFish

Darc19 wrote: »

The BIG test.

I don't think the new road can be tested until the speed limit is back up to 120 and the junctions are completed. I'm convinced that at least some of the misuse of lanes is due to people being unsure if they are In a lane that will slip off or not when in lane 1.

Darc19

The BIG test.

Next Sunday - most of Tipperary and Kilkenny will be deserting their driveways and heading up the M7 and M9 to croke Park.

Even at three lanes you have to expect slow moving traffic as the volume will be substantial, but how slow is the question.

I wonder if the gardai will be proactive and have a few high profile patrols to ensure good behavior by motorists esp at the merge.

BuzzFish

Muahahaha wrote: »

How does Waze alert for speed vans, is there an audible alert from the app or just a icon on the screen? Could be really handy if audible, otherwise you might miss an icon.

Also do the Gardai still release the locations of them? Thought I heard that when they were first introduced

There is onscreen notification icon to report a speed van (user reported). This then shared with any following driver to tap the screen to say still present or gone. Same process for all feedback (broekn down vehicles, temp roadworks, weather events etc etc etc.

Muahahaha

How does Waze alert for speed vans, is there an audible alert from the app or just a icon on the screen? Could be really handy if audible, otherwise you might miss an icon.

Also do the Gardai still release the locations of them? Thought I heard that when they were first introduced

BuzzFish

MYSTICA1 wrote: »

Google maps does not have the new off-ramp for junction 10 Eastbound. Anyone know how frequently they update their maps?

Waze is 100% up to date and is updated by a global team of map updating volunteers. We overlay plans to create new junctions and roads in advance and open as per schedules as released. This is how J9a has appeared on Waze and Google maps and how J10 has been almost instantly reflecting new/closed ramps. As Google owns Waze, the Waze updates filter into Google maps over time. I would imagine they use GPS tracks to confirm updates but Waze is ALWAYS more up to date.

Also, Waze displays road average speeds when congested and current speed limits at all times onscreen. Also Waze allows for realtime reporting by users so speed vans, broken down (or stopped) vehicles and roadworks are nearly always shown. Finally Waze has realtime traffic info coming back from all users but where no "Wazers" are on a road it swaps back to Google traffic info. Basically, best of 2 worlds.

Hope this helps...

_Kaiser_

MYSTICA1 wrote: »

Google maps does not have the new off-ramp for junction 10 Eastbound. Anyone know how frequently they update their maps?

They were pretty quick with the M11 changes once it went live, so I'd say they'll wait until everything bar the Sallins bypass is done and open before they update.

MYSTICA1

Google maps does not have the new off-ramp for junction 10 Eastbound. Anyone know how frequently they update their maps?

Eoghanj

road_high wrote: »

The M9 junction must be problematic at rush hours. I’ve been purposely avoiding it tbh

The M9 junctions both ways are not bad at the moment - just some congestion as there is one lane. No need to avoid athem. I am hoping the merge works will be complete before the end of august though, as it will be a different then when the schools are back.

Sam Russell

Mod: Can we drop this lane misuse and just appreciate that there are now three lanes and less congestion. Driving behaviour is for the motoring forum, not here (unless it is specific to the M7).

Thank you.

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WishUWereHere

First Up wrote: »

Dublin City FM does an excellent (mostly) traffic programme each weekday morning and evening. It would be nice if every now and then they reminded people about how to drive on motorways.

Why? FFS, anyone driving on a M/way. they had to pass a driving test. Part of that is driving correctly, including lane discipline. Put thesehoggerson an autobahn, they wouldn’t last 5 minutes.

And it doesn’t just pertain to 3 lane M/ways. I was driving on the M4 this morning, and there was a car doing 80kph in the outside lane...infuriating.

First Up

_Kaiser_ wrote:

Just drive on, don't block faster traffic, and don't worry about what others are at as long as they're not acting the muppet.

Preventing a motorway from being used properly is acting the muppet.

_Kaiser_

Again..... If someone is hogging the middle lane and obstructing you, just overtake in lane 3.

If they're going faster than you in either lane 2 or 3 then you're not affected anyway. Although there's a lot of drivers who drive at significantly slower speeds anyway for no reason.

I think far too many people here fancy themselves part of the traffic corps - but even they are among the worst offenders too - or have issues with being overtaken themselves.

Just drive on, don't block faster traffic, and don't worry about what others are at as long as they're not acting the muppet.

First Up

Dublin City FM does an excellent (mostly) traffic programme each weekday morning and evening. It would be nice if every now and then they reminded people about how to drive on motorways.

road_high

Eoghanj wrote: »

Great to see three lanes open in both directions. Makes a huge difference to my commute from Carlow to Dublin. Will be very happy when the merge works are completed, as there is still a bit of a delay here in both directions, with just one lane open at the junctions. Anyone know when merge works are due to be completed?

The M9 junction must be problematic at rush hours. I’ve been purposely avoiding it tbh

degsie

Seems like there is a brain deposit box at the start of every 3-lane roadway where a lot of drivers willingly leave their grey matter and engage in brainless middle lane hogging. It's stupid beyond stupid.

VR6

road_high wrote: »

There’s even been quite an extensive media campaign for donkeys to educate them on how to use a bloody road correctly. I think the stick approach will have to come in now, fines and prosecutions for lane obstruction and incorrect lane use

Agree totally. The inside lane is the safest place there is on 6 lane Irish motorways. You could have a picnic there, play football, take a snooze and then drive on without any fear of being knocked down. Middle lane hogging is the norm. Often taxi drivers are the worst offenders.
Overtaking lane hoggers are equally annoying. It's down to ignorance of the rules and lack of instruction.