mad muffin wrote: » You said they were a signatory of the 1951 convention. They did not sign it.
TeaBagMania wrote: » you continue to display your ignorance, that paragraph is for asylum seekers already in the US, why the hell would you visit an embassy in your home country if you're already inside the US?
if someone wants to claim asylum they can do so thru the legal route at the embassy in their country.
alastair wrote: » Signatory to the legal obligations outlined in the 1951 Convention.
The Trump administration has announced new immigration rules ending asylum protections for almost all migrants who arrive at the US-Mexico border, in violation of both US and international law. According to the new rules, any asylum seekers who pass through another country before arriving at the southern border – including children traveling on their own – will not be eligible for asylum if they failed to apply first in their country of transit. They would only be eligible for US asylum if their application was turned down elsewhere.
The US Refugee Act of 1980 limits the right of asylum if the applicant can be sent back to a “safe third country”, but human rights advocates have pointed out that neither Mexico nor any Central American countries come close to meeting the act’s standards of a safe third country, “where the alien’s life or freedom would not be threatened”... “and where the alien would have access to a full an fair procedure for determining a claim to asylum”.
Furthermore, for a country to be considered “safe”, it would have to enter into a formal agreement with the US.
Overheal wrote: » Funny the same page you plagiarized says right at the top: https://immigration-law.freeadvice.com/immigration-law/asylum/filing_American_embassy.htm "Can I Apply for Asylum at an American Embassy?" "No. You must be physically present in the United States to apply. The distinction between a refugee and an asylee (asylum applicant) is easy to confuse. Both are considered persons who are subject to persecution because of their race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a particular social group. Consequently, both types apply for humanitarian relief with the U.S. government. The main difference in processing, however, is where the individual is located. Refugees are located outside of the U.S and outside of their native country. Asylees are already within the U.S. or a port of entry of the U.S. This distinction is important because it affects how and where you can apply for relief." And usembassy.gov: "The United States does not grant asylum in its diplomatic premises abroad. Under U.S. law, the United States considers asylum only for aliens who are physically present in the United States."
mad muffin wrote: » I didn’t want to be a pedant so… but technically they never signed the 51
TeaBagMania wrote: » alastair wrote: » You cannot seek asylum at a US embassy abroad. QUOTE] Wrong cut and paste Refugees: Asylum for Those Located Outside the U.S. If you are a refugee, you may contact the American embassy for assistance in submitting an application for resettlement to the United States. They will assist you in completing your application and gathering your supporting documentation. They can also help arrange loans to pay for any relocation expenses. Once your application is approved and you enter the U.S., you are authorized to work. Within one year of your entry, you are required to apply for permanent residency status, or a green card. Filing your application as quickly as possible with the American embassy is important because caps or quotas are generally set each year for the number of persons admitted as refugees. Even if you are not eligible as a refugee under the refugee process, you may still qualify for assistance through other asylum-type programs through the American embassy. For example, if you are the victim of domestic violence, you may not fit the statutory definition of refugee, but you may still qualify for a visa under the Violence Against Women Act. Nope.https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/asylum-at-embassy/
alastair wrote: » You cannot seek asylum at a US embassy abroad. QUOTE] Wrong cut and paste Refugees: Asylum for Those Located Outside the U.S. If you are a refugee, you may contact the American embassy for assistance in submitting an application for resettlement to the United States. They will assist you in completing your application and gathering your supporting documentation. They can also help arrange loans to pay for any relocation expenses. Once your application is approved and you enter the U.S., you are authorized to work. Within one year of your entry, you are required to apply for permanent residency status, or a green card. Filing your application as quickly as possible with the American embassy is important because caps or quotas are generally set each year for the number of persons admitted as refugees. Even if you are not eligible as a refugee under the refugee process, you may still qualify for assistance through other asylum-type programs through the American embassy. For example, if you are the victim of domestic violence, you may not fit the statutory definition of refugee, but you may still qualify for a visa under the Violence Against Women Act.
Overheal wrote: » Party to the 1967 protocol though which supersedes it.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_Relating_to_the_Status_of_Refugees
TeaBagMania wrote: » alastair wrote: » You cannot seek asylum at a US embassy abroad. Wrong cut and paste Refugees: Asylum for Those Located Outside the U.S. If you are a refugee, you may contact the American embassy for assistance in submitting an application for resettlement to the United States. They will assist you in completing your application and gathering your supporting documentation. They can also help arrange loans to pay for any relocation expenses. Once your application is approved and you enter the U.S., you are authorized to work. Within one year of your entry, you are required to apply for permanent residency status, or a green card. Filing your application as quickly as possible with the American embassy is important because caps or quotas are generally set each year for the number of persons admitted as refugees. Even if you are not eligible as a refugee under the refugee process, you may still qualify for assistance through other asylum-type programs through the American embassy. For example, if you are the victim of domestic violence, you may not fit the statutory definition of refugee, but you may still qualify for a visa under the Violence Against Women Act.
alastair wrote: » You cannot seek asylum at a US embassy abroad.
mad muffin wrote: » The USA is not a signatory of the 1951 convention.
alastair wrote: » You cannot seek asylum at a US embassy abroad. The US is a signatory to the 1951 Convention on the status of refugees, which bans penalizing asylum seekers for illegal entry for the purpose of seeking asylum. The US has a legal obligation to consider asylum claims, regardless of how the claimant got into the country.
TeaBagMania wrote: » wow, your ignorance is astonishing
Overheal wrote: » So you have no idea how asylum laws work. Got it. Follow up question did everyone in the alt right all get this idea that asylum can be applied for at an embassy from the same erroneous source or what? Because it’s boggling how often they spout the talking point as if it holds any truth in reality.
TeaBagMania wrote: » wow, cant believe i have to dumb this down so much the deterrent is to illegal crossings if someone wants to claim asylum they can do so thru the legal route at the embassy in their country. if they dont have an embassy they can do so at an approved crossing point
alastair wrote: » Yeah. You’ve been proven wrong. But feel free to ignore the inconvenient facts.
mad muffin wrote: » Well, I stand by my post. So you’re free to think that.
TeaBagMania wrote: » wasting? how is it wasting when there are hundreds of miles of open land people can just walk across? a menacing wall manned with the military is enough of a deterrent to stop people from crossing, well at least those that aren't mentally deranged
alastair wrote: » Of course you’re not. Again; disingenuous.
mad muffin wrote: » I’m still not understanding your pedantic rants...
mad muffin wrote: » Do you know how asylum laws work? I don’t think you do…
mad muffin wrote: » You know I get it now. Mod of conspiracy theory’s and ranting and raving.
Overheal wrote: » No no go on tell us how your arts degree gives you intellectual superiority over others in this thread. I’m dying to know.
Overheal wrote: » What’s the deterrent? That for every inch of border someone will be there to greet their request for asylum? Explain that one to me. What is the deterrent? We have laws.
Overheal wrote: » No as a Mechanical Engineer I’m more than familiar thanks :rolleyes:
