Last Stop wrote: » Great news that Adare will host the Ryder cup in 2026. A lot of talk has naturally been about the M21 bypass which I would say is a must but would it be worth considering reopening the section of the Limerick-Foynes line for the event? The event will attract approx. 200k people which is a serious amount of car and bus parking that could be reducing significantly if you ran a shuttle train from Limerick every 20 minutes It’s around 15km and they have 7 years so I think it’s worth considering. Definitely something the Greens should be pushing anyway
Vic_08 wrote: » Reasons to open line: Significant freight flow. Large Commuter base. Positive Cost Benefit Analysis. Reasons not to open line: One-off sporting event.
Last Stop wrote: » So clearly we are stuck with the Irish mentality when it comes to public transport provision. I’d like to clarify a few things about my suggestion: 1. The line serve Adare, Patrickswell and the ever growing suburbs of Limerick. It would be an very popular commuter line if built. 2. There is no comparison between this and other lines that should be built. We seem to have a mentality of this or that when we should be saying why not both. 3. A train carries approx. 1000 people. That the equivalent of 10 buses. To cater for 300k people you’d need 300 trains vs 3000 buses. I know the majority will travel by car but if you even had 10 trains per day that would be 40k cars off the road or 400 buses. 4. One off sporting events are one of the main reasons for building transport infrastructure. The first thing the majority of people said when it was announced was “well they’ll finally get a bypass so” and the N7 was widened for the K club. That’s not to mention countless other examples all over the world
Zebra3 wrote: » Nobody tends to build anything for a one off sports event unless it’s in some tinpot dictatorship. What tends to happen with sensible planning is that major sporting events are used as the catalyst to drive infrastructural projects. “We have the Olympics in even years time. Our public transport projects must be finished by then, let’s bring in special legislation to get things going”. That was part of the reason for London getting the Olympics.
Darc19 wrote: » The capital and ongoing running costs of a train service are huge. Average carriage holds max 100 people including standing. Even with 6 carriage trains that's max 600. Add drivers and other personnel and you're into massive costs. Most people want to get into the city 8am-9am not enough time for turnarounds, so at least 12-18 carriages required + 6 engine cars. Chance of 40,000 users? Not a chance in hell. Then look at busses. Cheaper capital costs, more flexible, quicker turnaround, can be used in many ways during off peak hours. Better chance of Rory mcilroy winning the grand slam in one season than a train service. N7 widening was planned a long long time before the Ryder cup was announced, but it did speed up the works.
Last Stop wrote: » I’m sorry, I can’t agree with this, Qatar is building practically everything for the FIFA World Cup. South Africa did the same for their work cup. Athens the same for the Olympics. While these are on a different scale to the Ryder cup, so is reopening 15km of rail line rather than building entire metro systems
Zebra3 wrote: » We don’t have Qatar’s wealth. What public transport projects were built in South Africa for the WC?
Last Stop wrote: » South Africa built the Gautrain between Pretoria and Johannesburg for the world cup
Pete_Cavan wrote: » Isn't the line to Adare single track? And no possibility of through running through Colbert, thereby requiring all trains to turnback? So frequency would be crap, and nothing like what would be needed for a commuter service which would entice people out of their cars, and Colbert would just be a congested mess?
cgcsb wrote: » A 3 line commuter rail system with each line having half hourly service is reasonable and quite doable with single track, the Doradoyle-Colbert section would have to e double tracked eventually. Starting a commuter rail service JUST to serve Adare, is daft, a whole network approach is required. Colbert wouldn't be a mess at all, it'd be accommodating 1 train every 10 mins, much smaller stations in Dublin accommodate this type of service.
Cookiemunster wrote: » Are any of those stations end of the line stations?
Cookiemunster wrote: » Greece and South Africa are both highly corrupt countries that were left millions in debt with multiple white elephant projects after those. Reopening 15k of rail for 1 week would also be a white elephant. It wasn't built for the world cup. It was announced in 2000 before SA won the world cup and it wasn't finished unitl 2012.
cgcsb wrote: » All these countries are rife with corruption and only interested in showmanship on the international stage rather than actually improving public transport long term. Have a look at London's prep for the olympics, much more low key with everything given an afteruse function. The Athens olympic village is still rotting away afaik.
Last Stop wrote: » London invested heavily in its public transport network for the games.https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-dorset-12769307 They built a £70m road to connect to the sailing venue so while it has an after use, this was built as a result of hosting the Olympics
Last Stop wrote: » You can’t just build a whole network from day 1. It needs to be developed over time. The line to Adare is one part of the potential overall network. Between Adare and Doradoyle could easily be single track with Doradoyle-Colbert double track.
cgcsb wrote: » Everything they built has an after use. A solitary rail line to Adare would not
cgcsb wrote: » To built a network you start in the centre and target the busiest routes first. Adare isn't anywhere near the busiest route. There's no cause to start with somewhere so far out from the urban area
Last Stop wrote: » It would serve as a commuter line to Limerick
