"Insulting and predatory': Dublin Airport slammed over Ryder Cup tweet
RocketRaccoon wrote: » Planned fuel and lav service stop I believe.
road_high wrote: » SNN was built as a political stroke back in the 1940s
Brennans Row wrote: » Would you elaborate on that?
Phileas Frog wrote: » OK. So what happened in 1936 then? First commercial flight in 1939. But yes of course, a political stroke in the 40s. :rolleyes:
https://www.shannonairport.ie/corporate/about/history/ 1945 - The first scheduled flight from the United States landed in Shannon Airport and was the “Flagship London” an American Overseas Airlines (AOA) DC4. Shannon also began receiving scheduled aircraft from Trans World Airways (TWA) and Pan American Airways (Pan AM).
https://www.historyireland.com/troubles-in-ni/ni-1920-present/the-flying-boats-of-foynes/ Two weeks later, on 9 July 1939, Yankee Clipper landed at Foynes to complete the first commercial passenger flight on the direct route between the USA and Europe.
Balf wrote: » I know this could become anorak heaven, but did Shannon have any commercial traffic before 1945?
Phileas Frog wrote: » Quite a lot, it was a transfer hub between Europe and North America. People going transatlantic were usually transferred to / from Foynes. However, there were some direct from Rineanna to Gander. Here are some Cardinals from 1942. https://youtu.be/UlrsG1yFcLI
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/1950-11-09/49/ Work on the project for providing suitable anchorage for flying boats at Rineanna was commenced in April, 1939, and was substantially completed by December, 1941. Minor works continued for some time after that date and in September, 1945, when the transatlantic airlines changed over to land planes, further work on the project was discontinued. The official records of expenditure from voted moneys do not enable precise figures of cost of individual works to be determined. From the information available, however, it is estimated that the cost of providing the anchorage at Rineanna amounted to about £96,900. The embankments constructed in connection with the anchorage serve a useful purpose in protecting the airport lands from inundation from the River Shannon. At present it does not seem likely that the anchorage will be used for flying boats, but it is not possible to make any definite pronouncement regarding future developments in civil aviation.
Jamie2k9 wrote: » The tweet was 100% factual, Dublin will be the main gateway. It's pretty obvious even if SNN has a major upturn in routes between now and 2026.https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/433985/insulting-and-predatory-dublin-airport-slammed-over-ryder-cup-tweet.html
Davys Fits wrote: » So even if the Shannon itself was to host a major event the gateway would still be Dublin? With that mindset Shannon and every other airport is doomed. A no win situation.
Cookiemunster wrote: » Dublin is the key gateway. Like it or not most of the visitors will travel through Dublin. Shannon needs more routes, but outside of charters will never have the business to get the regular routes that will bring most of the expected 250k visitors.
Cookiemunster wrote: » And TBH a tweet send 7 years before the event, when flights can't be booked until early 2026 is going to make zero difference to where visitors enter the country.
mdmix wrote: » Dublin were quick to spot the opportunity and associate themselves with Adare, so whoever is running their social media has autonomy over their posts. Shannon took a day to respond, so either no confidence or no autonomy over posts, and eventually released a lackluster press release. The response of “looking forward to working with other agencies” I.e we will do what we are told when we are told what to do.
Balf wrote: » Just wondering (and I have no idea), sometimes bids for major tournaments like this have to go into the logistics and capacity of the bidder to deliver - not quite on the scale of an Olympic bid, but enough to demonstrate that people will be able to get to the venue and find accommodation, etc. Is possible that Dublin Airport had advanced knowledge of the process, because of that? If the Adare bid included some statement to the effect that Dublin Airport offers a very high degree of connectivity to US and Europe, then it might give a context to why the tweet was made. I'd just find it hard to see the tweet as an inspired action by an individual. But, as you say, maybe that's all it is.
mdmix wrote: » Balf wrote: » Just wondering (and I have no idea), sometimes bids for major tournaments like this have to go into the logistics and capacity of the bidder to deliver - not quite on the scale of an Olympic bid, but enough to demonstrate that people will be able to get to the venue and find accommodation, etc. Is possible that Dublin Airport had advanced knowledge of the process, because of that? If the Adare bid included some statement to the effect that Dublin Airport offers a very high degree of connectivity to US and Europe, then it might give a context to why the tweet was made. I'd just find it hard to see the tweet as an inspired action by an individual. But, as you say, maybe that's all it is. I can’t say, although I would find it hard to believe that Dublin airport would be consulted in advance and not Shannon. I think it’s probably a bit simpler than that. Dublin Airport marketing team are more used to dealing with events tourism and likely have a strategy for it. On capacity, this is a opportunity for the region, including Foynes port. If they are serious about attracting cruise business this is there chance as they will be in a position to help provide hundreds, or even thousands of extra bed spaces close to the venue, assuming the road is built in time.
hobie14 wrote: » UA22 .....787-10 .....DUB -EWR .... Diverting and on its way in to SNN now
FIANNA Fail TD Niall Collins has called for a new “strategic business plan” at Shannon Airport. It comes after newly released passenger numbers show that Limerick’s local airport is attracting just 4.3% of the market share of Irish aviation travel. Up to the end of June, the figures released to Mr Collins show that just 786,869 passengers had departed or arrived from the airport. This compares to more than 15.5 million at Dublin and over 1.2 million in Cork Airport. “"We have to be very concerned about the performance of Shannon Airport. Our market share has been nosediving. Clearly the separation from the Dublin Airport Authority hasn't materialised as was envisaged, and a strategic business plan needs to be developed as soon as possible,” he told the Limerick Leader. Last year, Shannon carried 1.8m passengers, as against 31 million through Dublin and 2.3 million through Cork. Although that was a slight rise from 2017, the figures for the normally busy summer season would indicate that Shannon Airport’s ridership will be down when the full 2019 figures are released early next year. “Clearly there has been a lack of leadership at the airport for a number of years and that needs to be addressed. The minister for transport and the government need to realise this. Shannon Airport boasting of increasing passenger numbers is merely a smokescreen to hide the declining market share. Market share is the true barometer,” Mr Collins said. The Co Limerick TD believes that bosses at Shannon Airport should work to persuade the Dublin Airport Authority – which was last week accused of engaging in “predatory” marketing over its Ryder Cup tweets – to divert some of its transit routes south. ”Despite being a stand-alone entity, they need to work with the Dublin Airport Authority to try and create some business. Like the transit business, and the stopovers. There is a lot of this going through Dublin that could be diverted to Shannon,” he pointed out. Shannon Airport has been contacted for comment.
Comhra wrote: » https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/news/437733/huge-concern-at-slide-in-passenger-numbers-at-shannon-airport.html#.XVK1pd-dpM8.twitter
Deleted User wrote: » I thought all the complaints were that the big bad DAA were holding them back ? Now that they are separated from the DAA the DAA aren't doing enough for them. How many times does Shannon wants its cake and eat it.
Cookiemunster wrote: » Try reading the article properly and find anyone from other than a FF TD looking for votes in Limerick saying that.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/ourview/dublin-airport-expansion-shannon-and-cork-worthy-of-funds-too-904022.html It wouldn’t unduly inconvenience passengers to redirect some of the anticipated new business away from Dublin, and it shouldn’t hurt Dublin, which will always be the country’s number one international airport.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/shannon-region-may-lose-58m-due-to-grounding-of-boeing-737-max-1.3957368 The chief executive of Clare County Council, Pat Dowling, told the meeting that “the dominance of Dublin airport cannot be allowed to spell the death-knell of Shannon”.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/shannon-airport-funding-plea-to-tackle-dominant-dublin-monolith-903974.html Shannon Airport is suffering because of the dominant position of Dublin Airport, Limerick economists have said.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/shannon-ceo-hits-out-at-dublin-airport-dominance-814002.html The chief executive of the Shannon Group has said that policy in Ireland is leading towards the country having only a single airport, in Dublin.
Cookiemunster wrote: » He is correct about the poor management in Shannon though.
Shannon Group Statement Responding to the announcement by Norwegian Air International that it is to cease all transatlantic operations into Ireland from Sept. 15th next, Mary Considine, Acting CEO of Shannon Group, said: “We are disappointed that Norwegian Air International will cease all transatlantic services into Irish airports, including Shannon, from Sept. 15th. “We acknowledge that the grounding of the 737 MAX Jet had a major impact on this decision and Shannon was, among Irish airports, disproportionately affected, as it wiped 120,000 seats off our summer schedule through the suspension of its nine times weekly services from Shannon to Stewart and Providence. We thank Norwegian Air International and its staff for their commitment to Shannon over the past three years. “The strong passenger numbers that used these services at Shannon, however, proved once again the vibrant market there is for transatlantic flights in and out of this region. This will support our case as we talk to other airlines about the proven potential for these routes. “In the meantime, we will continue to work with and support our other transatlantic airline partners, Aer Lingus, United, Delta and American Airlines, to ensure the continued success of their services between Shannon and JFK and Newark airports for the New York market, as well as Boston and Philadelphia.”
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