BloodBath wrote: » What work are you doing? Eye strain can often be from a strobing back-light on the monitor and/or high blue levels rather than dpi. A good monitor will fix both of those problems. 4k has nice screen real estate but some software doesn't scale nicely with it and could end up causing even more eye strain because of tiny icons.
If you have an MSI X370 Gaming Plus motherboard, it is PCIe 3, so you won't really benefit if you buy the 3700X The 1700 and the 2700 are great value at the moment, pick one of them,, and just add a nice GPU and case, Maybe look at the Radeon RX 590 ,, It's a nice mid range card,
Zardoz wrote: » I see ,I wasnt aware of the PCIe 4 . I could sell the X370 I guess ,its still brand new in the box . The 2700 is currently £169 on Amazon ,the 3700X is £299.
satguy wrote: » If you not gaming PCIe 3 is fine. Even with the 1700 or 2700 for work would still be a great system. Only the very latest GPU's from AMD are PCIe Gen 4
K.O.Kiki wrote: » The motherboard is good. I'd say, go 2700/2700x with a big Noctua or Scythe cooler (NH-U12S, NH-U14S, Mugen 5) Then when 3000 series is more stable, consider upgrading. Pair with 32Gb fast RAM and a good (MLC/TLC) 2Tb SSD. Put into a be quiet or Fractal R5/R6 case.
The X370 is perfectly fine also. Not sure where the statement there's no benefit to using a 3700X is coming from? Just make sure there's a bios update available from MSI for that model. The real problem here is that unless the board has flashback, you'll need a Ryzen 1x or 2x CPU to update the bios. I'd probably spring for a 2700 given your uses and the fact that a) it'll work straight out of the box and b) is great value now.
TerrorFirmer wrote: » Sorry, missed the part that you already have a 1700X. Yes, you could use that to flash the bios. The 2700 should work on the X370 out of the box, unless you bought it before Ryzen 2x CPU's were a thing. In that case, you'd still need to flash a newer bios with the 1700X. So if you bought 2 motherboards when you got the 1700X for example, it may need an update yes.
Zardoz wrote: » Thanks TerrorFirmer. I bought the X370 at the end of October last year from Amazon so it should be up to date for the 2700. Any recommendations on a decent graphics card if I want to run a 4k monitor ,I wont be gaming . RX590 like satguy says ?
Cuddlesworth wrote: » So you have a FX8300 system and your main issue is the limited 8 gigs of ram, which is understandable. You don't game. You already have a AM4 board and 32 gigs of ram. Why not pick up a 2400G/3400G and do a board swap in the current case? You already state that your not cpu limited in any way, a modern 4 core 8 thread CPU is a significant upgrade to the bulldozer chips. No need to waste money on a graphics card, the IGPU will happily run two screens of any size if gaming is not on the table. It comes with a decent stock cooler. If your current PSU powered a FX chip, it will power the new board without issue. It just kind seems like buying a 6 or 8 core chip with a graphics card is a waste of money and I only say this because you will need to pick up a GFX card and the low end ones are very overpriced for what they are.
Also, I work from home and have dealt with eye strain. There are things you can do, some form of screen back-lighting can help in the evenings can help, I would assume on the gaming system. But the main thing is getting away from the computer for small breaks, to allow your eyes and eye muscles to not have to focus at a specific point, at a specific distance for hours on end.
Zardoz wrote: » Thanks ,thats definitely food for thought and great information. The 2400 or 3400G that doesnt seem much of an improvement over the Fx8300 ? I'd like to future proof myself . The case I have is kind of old ,the PSU is an AOpen FSP550-60pln ,its 550W but it doesnt have alot of the newer connections on it ,I could get adapters though . Its a bit noisy though ,that could be down to the FX8300 too I suppose. But it powers the current system perfectly ,its very stable . I was a bit worried about using the FX8300 on the Asrock motherboard as the VRMs on it are supposed to be poor but I've have no issues. I'd like something silent though.
Zardoz wrote: » Thanks ,I definitely need to take more breaks . Think I need to get better lighting in my home office too ,the current bulbs arent great.
Cuddlesworth wrote: » Two things. The whole internet thing about VRM's is a real load of crap. If your not into some serious overclocking(like sub ambient) or you bought some dodgy Chinese no name brand board, VRM's are not a "consideration". Boards from main brands are built to meet a spec based on the socket. VRM consideration was a factor when considering extreme overclocking and bled into the mainstream because they couldn't find any other way to continue to differentiate boards into some sort of tiered scoring system. Basically, its the only thing left to compare(they all pretty much have the same ports and features within a chipset) but its not really important. Second thing, future proofing is weird now. I'm going to reference the below in terms of day to day machines, web browsing, general work apps. Basically when you take out things like gaming, rendering, huge compiles of massive projects, running a crap ton of local VM's(always ram limited, always) etc. Your current cpu was released in later 2012, lets say roughly 6 years ago and it was high end. It's kinda 4 core 8 thread cpu And its going fine for a general work machine that doesn't have a real "use case" for tons of cpu horse power. Outside of gaming right now, its still pretty decent. Roughly 6 years before that cpu, your in the core2duo phase of the Internets where quad cores came in. Those baby's only really started to show their age in recent years where they struggle a little with the expectations of stuff like video decoding(1080p youtube videos for example). By the time your cpu came out, these procs were still pretty decent. Machines with those procs and a good bit of ram are still usable now. 6 years before that, your in the late Pentium 3/early Pentium 4 era. When the core2duo procs were released, it was like night and day. Those things were ancient and struggling to keep up. You could keep making jumps like that, the 6 years cycles where leaps and bounds ahead of the others in terms of day to day horse power. The current Ryzen and Intel procs are beasts. And yet my other half rocks away every day doing graphic design and web coding with a dual core Intel in a 2013 macbook pro with 16 gigs of ram because processor lifespan has become significantly extended outside of specific use cases. A 4 core 8 thread Ryzen will be a decent proc in 6 years time unless you have a good use for it. Rant over, basically if you have the money and you want to the grunt pick up a 6 or 8 core and enjoy. But from what you have said, they are not going to "rock your world" and with the needed graphics card, it can be a fair chunk of change extra for cores you are probably never going to use. Not exactly what was talking about, so I went and googled it. Its called Bias lighting and its essentially putting a source of light behind your monitor in the evenings.
Not exactly what was talking about, so I went and googled it. Its called Bias lighting and its essentially putting a source of light behind your monitor in the evenings. Cuddlesworth is online now Report Post
Cuddlesworth wrote: » One last thing, if you have a Amd 4650 int he PC already, what about picking up a 3600? Upgrade the bios in the gaming system then put in the 3600 for a decent gaming uplift. Drop the 1700 into the workstation.
Cuddlesworth wrote: » Why not pick up a 2400G/3400G and do a board swap in the current case?
K.O.Kiki wrote: » Pictures. Please.
