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I was over in Corr na Mona, Co. Galway the last few days. A Gaeltacht region in Connemara.

I hadn't brushed up on Irish since school but I found it all flooding back to me when in that environment. From the dark recesses of my mind

Immersion is the only way to become fluent in a language. The classroom will only get you so far.

The way children are taught in Ireland needs to change. Maybe mandatory spells in the Gaeltacht need to be introduced.

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spurious

Twenty euro per Irish word you can remember would be an interesting test.

Greyfox

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

TG4 was a great idea. It’s a top class channel, and yet another reason why people should be made pay for a public service broadcaster.

We shouldnt be made to pay for a public service broadcaster, forcing people to spend money on things they dont use is never a good idea.

khalessi

Greyfox wrote: »

We shouldnt be made to pay for a public service broadcaster, forcing people to spend money on things they dont use is never a good idea.

True but luckily TG4 is a free-to-air channel, available across all the viewing platforms, with a strong viewer base throughout the island of Ireland. An average of 650,000 viewers a day watch TG4 in the Republic of Ireland. This daily figure exceeds 1 million people on major viewing days like Christmas Day and St. Patrick’s Day.

not bad considering that the total TV Licence sales for 2017 were 1,027,596 –

touts

Irish is a dead language kept on expensive life support by a lobby group powerful way beyond their numbers. Some students leave school with a love of Irish. I suspect an equal number leave school with a hatred for the language. Most leave school simply relieved that they will never have to use it again. After almost a century of compulsion and massive spending the language has never been weaker. 800 years of attempted eradication and genocide by the British did less damage than 80 years of forced learning by the Irish.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

The Alpha wrote: »

Ok what is the practical reason for this stupid language that 5 people in the world use.

How about spanish, french or chinese? No let's waste our time on a useless language which barely has any use in Ireland, nevermind the world.

Were you perhaps dropped on your head as a child, though?

And who is forcing you to learn Irish in Blighty?

The Alpha

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Were you perhaps dropped on your head as a child, though?

And who is forcing you to learn Irish in Blighty?

What are you talking about? I think you are mixing me up with the IQ. So who was dropped? I never said anything about forcing.
Here people you see a prime example of the dunning kruger effect.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

As I always say on these threads. Where is the political demand for not teaching Irish in real life? Or shutting down TG4? Or not funding the Gaeltacht. Or taking it out of the constitution.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

The Alpha wrote: »

What are you talking about? I think you are mixing me up with the IQ. So who was dropped? I never said anything about forcing.
Here people you see a prime example of the dunning kruger effect.

If you are going to accuse people of having the dunner Kruger effect you might want to make more sense.

I’ve no idea what “mixing me up with the IQ” means.

The Alpha

robman60 wrote: »

This. I'm always amused at these feckin eejits who say we should all be learning Chinese when they don't even have a single word of French after their six years in school.

I think it's an excuse made by the lazy or the dumb, who try to say they're only bad at Irish because it is of low economic utility.

Is aoibhinn liom Gaeilge agus laibhríom í le mo thuismitheori gach uile lá, cé go bhfuil Béarla ár dteanga máithreach.

Anecdotal evidence. Example of dunning krugger effect. "I'm smart because I want to learn an useless language".
I personally learned French. Unless you can provide proof of this then you are talking out of your arse. How about we see a chart of hierarchy of evidence. Oh what's that? Where is anecdotal evidence? Uh? I cannot seem to find it. But I guess low IQ people like you do not know that they are the dumb ones. No everyone else is dumb but not me for the sole reason that they don't want to learn an useless language.
It's good to know that you're amused, I guess that is the benefit of such IQ.

careless sherpa

The Alpha wrote: »

Ok what is the practical reason for this stupid language that 5 people in the world use.

How about spanish, french or chinese? No let's waste our time on a useless language which barely has any use in Ireland, nevermind the world.

I did French in school but haven't used it since I finished the leaving cert. Waste of time

Franz Von Peppercorn II

The Alpha wrote: »

Anecdotal evidence. Example of dunning krugger effect. "I'm smart because I want to learn an useless language".
I personally learned French. Unless you can provide proof of this then you are talking out of your arse. How about we see a chart of hierarchy of evidence. Oh what's that? Where is anecdotal evidence? Uh? I cannot seem to find it. But I guess low IQ people like you do not know that they are the dumb ones. No everyone else is dumb but not me for the sole reason that they don't want to learn an useless language.
It's good to know that you're amused, I guess that is the benefit of such IQ.

Dude. You’ve got a severe problem with the English language. You can’t write it. Maybe rather than worry if Ireland is teaching Irish or not you should spend more time on the way English and logic is taught in Blighty?

Because it isn’t working.

The Alpha

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Dude. You’ve got a severe problem with the English language. You can’t write it. Maybe rather than worry if Ireland is teaching Irish or not you should spend more time on the way English and logic is taught in Blighty?

Because it isn’t working.

This is irrelevant to my argument. Nice red herring. One of the main signs of high IQ for sure.

Stop moaning ffs

These threads crapping on Irish always remind of the quote.

The English invented the language. It took the Irish to show them how to use it.

Not sure who said it but referencing our contribution to literature and the way it’s used as a language. But it is fair and the constant ranting against all things Irish by those claiming to be English speaks to al larger insecurity of the older language and culture next door. That they tried to eradicate and didn’t quite manage it.

bless

Fourier

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The other Gaeltacht areas are that in name only to be honest.

The Kerry Gaeltacht is about the same strength as the Galway one no? My family's Gaeltacht area in Mayo is very weak, but I always thought Kerry was fairly strong.

Stop moaning ffs

The Alpha wrote: »

This is irrelevant to my argument. Nice red herring. One of the main signs of high IQ for sure.

That’s your third or fourth IQ remark.

Speaks volumes.

Arghus

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt by assuming he's not a bot - just a common troll.

The Alpha

This is making me a bit more excited than it should...
I doubt there are many more pleasurable things than seeing leprechauns getting red in the face with anger and making your ma jokes.

Arghus

The Alpha wrote: »

This is making me a bit more excited than it should...
I doubt there are many more pleasurable things than seeing leprechauns getting red in the face with anger and making your ma jokes.

I just feel sorry for you tbh.

BeerWolf

Hold LARPing events and speak Elvish-- I mean Gaelic at them.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

The Alpha wrote: »

This is making me a bit more excited than it should...
I doubt there are many more pleasurable things than seeing leprechauns getting red in the face with anger and making your ma jokes.

Well, you live a very sad life in your mother’s basement so every little helps.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

I’m a bit scarleh for the posters who thanked the English troll’s posts though.

simongurnick

I worked in spiddal for 9 months years back and learned more irish than all my years in school

Paddy Cow

Captain Havoc wrote: »

People speak Irish, get over it. If you don't want to speak Irish just don't try. Why does it matter if only 73,000 people speak Irish? I watched the Tour de France on TG4 this week, I got my head around that it's not available on terrestrial telly in English. It's an indigenous language which people have a right to speak, we're one of many bilingual countries in the world.

I don't doubt there are many kids growing up in Ireland bilingual but I think those growing up with Irish as a main language are in the minority.

Imreoir2

Paddy Cow wrote: »

I'm Irish. I love being Irish and while sometimes I wish we spoke Irish as our national language.

Why should we recognise something that is not true? The term "dead language" actually has a meaning and Irish does not fit it.

If you get the flu, should we just go ahead and recognise you as being dead?

goose2005

Greyfox wrote: »

We shouldnt be made to pay for a public service broadcaster, forcing people to spend money on things they dont use is never a good idea.

the same goes for libraries, museums, archaeological digs, state-funded research, any number of things. Sure all you need is Sky and Disney.

Buford T. Justice XIX

robman60 wrote: »

This. I'm always amused at these feckin eejits who say we should all be learning Chinese when they don't even have a single word of French after their six years in school.

I think it's an excuse made by the lazy or the dumb, who try to say they're only bad at Irish because it is of low economic utility.

Is aoibhinn liom Gaeilge agus laibhríom í le mo thuismitheori gach uile lá, cé go bhfuil Béarla ár dteanga máithreach.

I love Irish and we spoke it to my parents every day, although English is our mother tongue

Mod note: Folks, if you could please supply the english translation with your point, as many wouldn't be fluent in the language, that would help everybody out?

Thanks in advance,

Buford T. Justice

Paddy Cow

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Why should we recognise something that is not true? The term "dead language" actually has a meaning and Irish does not fit it.

If you get the flu, should we just go ahead and recognise you as being dead?

That's a really stupid comparison.

Imreoir2

Paddy Cow wrote: »

That's a really stupid comparison.

Answer the question, why should we recognise something that is untrue?

WesternZulu

I lived in Wales and think it's very sad how we treat our language in comparison.

UCD tweeted this 1911 language map last week:
http://opac.oireachtas.ie/Data/Library3/OL005720.pdf

My home in South Mayo had 72% of the population speaking Irish at the time and it's not even a Gaeltacht region. Now it's effectively 0%! It's amazing how quickly it disappeared.

robman60

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Mod note: Folks, if you could please supply the english translation with your point, as many wouldn't be fluent in the language, that would help everybody out?

Thanks in advance,

Buford T. Justice

I was deliberately posting as Gaeilge (that means in Irish :rolleyes: )and you also translated it incorrectly. Just leave it as is please.