duploelabs wrote: » Upon watching The Great Hack on Netflix (suggested watching along with Get Me Roger Stone), the GOP don't want to rock the boat as that Russian/Cambridge Analytica axis got them in to power, and why should integrity interfere with that
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » McConnell has blocked two bills to prevent further interference in future elections Can anyone tell me why that might be?
duploelabs wrote: » He got a massive investment in Kentucky from a Russian company, also as I said above watch The Great Hack
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » Surely that should be alarms all over. Taking investment from a Russian company? In his position?
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » Didn’t know that thanks. Surely that should be alarms all over. Taking investment from a Russian company? In his position?
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » I know fan of Trump, it obvious he is a racist and compulsive liar, but there was never any evidence him and putin conspired to undermine votes in the American election. If you truly want to bring down Trump explore his corrupt dealings and business ties. I bet you find lot of shady stuff happening there still. Lot of people have invested two years posting about this and are afraid it was waste of time and Trump will not be got ridden off, and this fine, but you losing your brains thinking Trump is damaged by this and will be removed from office.
duploelabs wrote: » OK you completely waffled to a question which was a follow up to an initial one that you (again ignored) so I'll ask again.... Given this interchange between Republican Buck Aland Mueller yesterday, can you comment directly on it (without the Hillary/fusion GPS obfuscation) do you agree with this below? Buck: "Could charge the president with a crime after he left office?" Mueller: "Yes." Buck: "You believe that you could charge the president of the United States with obstruction of justice after he left office?" Mueller: "Yes."https://twitter.com/ky.../1154040136109215744
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Yes i accept Mueller said this. Mueller left it up to others to decide had Trump obstructed the investigation. Mueller himself even said his investigation was not stopped, curtailed and hindered in anyway. I also gather Trump never intervened, prevented and stopped, Mueller team interviews. We can see from Mueller performance, his staff wrote most of the report, and he was just a figure head brought in to give it some legitimacy. AF Barr and Rothstein said the obstructiuon evidence was insufficient to bring charges. Of course democrats don't like this ruling and think they're bias. The problem for Democrats with any obstruction charges you have to show evidence of criminal intent or trump was involved in corrupt intent. Mueller failed in this task and there no evidence Trump was deliberately hiding info belonging to a crime he had done. Since Mueller found know evidence Trump conspired with Russia he is innocent till proven guilty. Democrats just completely ignore the main charge turned to be false, least no evidence is found to date. There not going to be able to bring charges against the president after he left office, as they failed to show corrupt intent or wrongdoing in the first place.
Leroy42 wrote: » But there was clearly questions that needed to be answered. Flynn, Manafort, Trump Jr meeting, Trumps failure to every say anything bad about Putin, Trump siding with Putin over the US. It is never a bad idea to investigate those in power. They should always feel that at any time things they have done can be reviewed, questioned, reopened. In a democracy it seems pretty strange that the leader of that democracy, as well as their supporters, take the view that time is wasted in protecting democracy. Without trust in the system, the system will fall apart. So it wasn't time wasted. It is clear that now Trump will not be removed from office because of the Mueller investigation. But if it makes him, and his team, think twice about repeating the same actions then it would have been worth it. People should look at the examples of Flynn and see that you need to be wary of those others promising you the stars. The man has destroyed his reputation, will now always be seen as a sell-out of the US. Was it worth it just to get Trump into the WH? I very much doubt he thinks it is. It is right that HC was investigated from the server issue. It is right that Trumps business dealings are looked into. You wouldn't accept a soldier in the US army that was getting paid by another country. You wouldn't accept a politician for one party getting advisor parments from the other party. But it seems those are perfectly acceptable for Trump.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » The issue i have with this investigation it all started because of the steele dossier
Penn wrote: » There's a few houses in our estate where it seems like every few days analarm will go off, different one each time. No robbery or anything, but just nearly every second day, there's an alarm going off for an hour or two. Eventually, you just learn to ignore the noise. It's similar to alarms that should be going off in America with election interference, self-enrichment, conflicts of interest etc. So many alarms have been going off so often that most American's have become numb to the noise. Difference is; their house is actually being robbed.
StringerBell wrote: » Steele dossier has not been proven to be just unsubstantiated rumour about Trump nor was it the start of this investigation. There really should be a standard of posting, were you not banned the last time for continually posting lies even when they were pointed out to be such time and time again? Just engage in a good faith debate, you will feel better about it.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Love it. You guys claim this and ignore the hearing and statements by congress members. Do you think Trump send in a team to hack the DNC?Steele dossier is a how it all begun and where allegations were made Trump conspired wih Russia to win the election. You just read your own bias links and ignore how events unfolded. I was not banned, it was off topic remark about another subject, i was told to leave the thread for few weeks. So get your facts straight.
everlast75 wrote: » Let me spell it out for you. Mueller confirmed this Wednesday. The investigation opened because of George Papadopoulos.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » That makes very little sense for a number of reasons. 1) if the fact he was questioned for 6 hours explained his demeanor, then how come he was that way from the get-go? 2) he didn't just forget specific hard to recall details of the report as you suggest, he was flummoxed at the mere bloody mention of Fusion GPS for heaven sake, that speaks volumes and 3) when asked which president it was that appointed him he couldn't even remember that and guessed Bush, but then had to be told it was Reagan. Democrats should be ashamed of themselves.
BonnieSituation wrote: » He stated clearly on several occasions when asked that he wasn't willing to go into detail on who was questioned or where they were questioned to ensure ongoing investigations weren't hindered. I don't get where your line of "logic" comes from.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » StringerBell wrote: » Steele dossier has not been proven to be just unsubstantiated rumour about Trump nor was it the start of this investigation. There really should be a standard of posting, were you not banned the last time for continually posting lies even when they were pointed out to be such time and time again? Just engage in a good faith debate, you will feel better about it. Love it. You guys claim this and ignore the hearing and statements by congress members. Do you think Trump send in a team to hack the DNC? Steele dossier is a how it all begun and where allegations were made Trump conspired wih Russia to win the election. You just read your own bias links and ignore how events unfolded. I was not banned, it was off topic remark about another subject, i was told to leave the thread for few weeks. So get your facts straight.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » You not aware Mueller dismissed this allegation in the mueller report. They found no evidence Papdopoulos conspired or met any russian agent. There unsubtantiated rumors he was aware the Russians had dirt about Hilary.
FreudianSlippers wrote: » So why did he plead guilty to lying to the FBI about contacts he had with Russian agents? What's all the contrary evidence to what you're asserted contained in Volume 1, pages 81-93 of the Mueller Report? That leads to three unfortunate assumptions about your posts here: 1) You're lying on purpose; 2) You're making things up for a motive only known to you; 3) You're clueless as to what is or isn't in the Mueller Report. I say all three are unfortunate, as we're trying to have a factual conversation in this forum and it's clear that you are either not willing to or incapable of so doing.
StringerBell wrote: » So.....no change of tactic and embrace of good faith debate then, gotcha. Take it easy dude, if you ever do change your mind though I'll gladly engage.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Nowhere in the report does Mueller allege Papadopoulos knew and set up a prior meeting with a Russian agent. There no evidence in the report he knew what Russia intentions where and how they go about disseminating hilary email info. Mueller made a baseless allegation Joseph Mifsud was a Russian spy in his report. This narrative is falling apart as we watch events unfold and he actually now shown to be an asset of Western intelligence. In many ways the whole thing is looking like a stitch-up. The claim made by Joseph Misfud is he told Papadolulos the russians had dirt on Hilary, no specific claim was made about DNC hacked emails. Only thing that seems to be accurate is Papadopoulos did meet with Joseph Misfud and for unknown reason he lied about this meeting when talking with the FBI.
During that meeting, Mifsud told Papadopoulos that he had met with high-level Russian government officials during his recent trip to Moscow. Mifsud also said that, on the trip, he learned that the Russians had obtained "dirt" on candidate Hillary Clinton. As Papadopoulos later stated to the FBI, Mifsud said that the "dirt" was in the form of " emails of Clinton," and that they "have thousands of emails." On May 6, 2016, 10 days after that meeting with Mifsud, Papadopoulos suggested to a representative of a foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information that would be damaging to Hillary Clinton
FatherTed wrote: » Actually...
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/heres-why-mueller-kept-getting-asked-about-a-mysterious-maltese-professor/ar-AAEOdqh Mifsud lied to the FBI and he was not charged. Mueller was grilled about this and you can watch the exchange between Jim Jordan and Mueller in link provided. Barr and Justice Department investigation will release more information hopefully soon.
TomOnBoard wrote: » In the meantime, the best available evidence says that the FBI investigation into Trump campaign ties to Russia, known as 'Crossfire Hurricane' was started on 31st July, 2016. It began after an Australian diplomat (Downer) reported to US authorities, expressing concern that during a May 2016 drinking session, Papadopulous' told Downer that the Russians had got access to Clinton emails. That's why an investigation began as a Counter-intelligence one, designed to investigate how the Trump campaign knew that the Russians had hacked the DNC. At that time, the so-called Steele dossier was not being investigated by the FBI, so it cannot be used now as having been the origin of Operation Crossfire Hurricane.
