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How hard is it to get the rolex you want

Bren_C

Hi All,

I've a birthday of significance coming up in 18 months and have decided to treat myself with a rolex, I had decided on the new air king but as the work bonus went well I can go for a GMT. Had resigned myself (if you can call it that) to the blue one as Pepsi was only in white gold but see now that they have a steel version with a jubilee strap. They seem to be selling for mad money 20k on chrono 24 etc. and none if the irish jewllers can shed any light, so what my best bet at getting one from a retailer at close to RRP? I'm in Switzerland 2/3 times a year for work so is that an option......

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Wibbs

oxocube wrote: »

Whats TRF?

The Rolex forum I think?

oxocube

punk_one82 wrote: »

I'm trying to source a DJ 36 in an AD in Sydney and I'm told they're even hard to get at the minute. What is the point of AD's if you walk in and their displays are all empty.

I was in the Rolex AD in Frankfurt Airport last Friday and they hand 9 Rolex available for sale. I mean there was 9 actual watches for men in the whole store.

Celini, PM Datejust and an Airking and that was it :rolleyes:

The jewellers next door had a smashing collection of Tudors, Longines, Omegas and Cartiers though. I really think Rolex are shooting themselves in the foot if this is a marketing ploy.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

893bet wrote: »

Blnr jubilee?

Well done! You are the exception not the rule. If you get the papers then sell it! I think the market cap is reached. Have a look at TRF sales page. First page of the thread is always flooded with BLNR and HULks

There is a definite drop in asking prices, its like some kinda Mexican standoff where its just dealers selling to dealers, and a few wanabe speculators trying to sell to very few end wearers.

If I had one, and it was not my "forever" watch I would flip it immediately. I think if anything Rolex allow the watches to get too scarse, so people moved on to other models and interest is waning.

Always Tired

shutup wrote: »

Sorry mate, I got 7 thanks including one from forum heavyweight Wibbs. The motion carries!
I’m off to buy a seiko

we weren't talking about seiko vs rolex or anything like that. I don't care who thanked your post IMO you made no sense comparing buying pints in a pub to a Rolex in an AD. different worlds completely, and you obviously don't understand the latter world and aren't the target market anyway. which btw neither am I, I couldn't afford what it costs to shop there but I at least get The WHY they operate how they do. it's the rich people games like I said. they want to create this aura of exclusivity.

oh, and you wouldn't buy a Grand Seiko either? okay, so I guess you're saying, what? that all watches over a couple hundred quid are a ripoff? okay, you figured it all out, congrats. I mean is that your point? cuz I can't figure out what you are even saying tbh.

punk_one82

I'm trying to source a DJ 36 in an AD in Sydney and I'm told they're even hard to get at the minute. What is the point of AD's if you walk in and their displays are all empty.

893bet

fluffer wrote: »

Found it for list at an AD. Will collect it this weekend.
I'm not patient but I am resourceful

Blnr jubilee?

Well done! You are the exception not the rule. If you get the papers then sell it! I think the market cap is reached. Have a look at TRF sales page. First page of the thread is always flooded with BLNR and HULks

ArphaRima

Rootsblower wrote: »

Someone will pay it

Found it for list at an AD. Will collect it this weekend.
I'm not patient but I am resourceful

[Deleted User]

shutup wrote: »

I wouldn’t spend a grand on a seiko

Spending 1000 euros on any watch is kind of mad really but in any event raised-eyes-looking-to-one-side-and-smiling-condescendingly emoticon, for the record.

Rootsblower

893bet wrote: »

Definite softening on BLNR over last 2 months.

Watchfinder tested top of market offering the Jubilee version for 21.6K I believe. Same watch is 19.6K now. Still madness!

Someone will pay it

893bet

Definite softening on BLNR over last 2 months.

Watchfinder tested top of market offering the Jubilee version for 21.6K I believe. Same watch is 19.6K now. Still madness!

Cyrus

Cienciano wrote: »

Just imagine 2 nice GS's for the price of a hulk. It's madness.

You’d get 4 or 5

Cienciano

Faith+1 wrote: »

Grand Seiko?

Just imagine 2 nice GS's for the price of a hulk. It's madness.

shutup

Faith+1 wrote: »

Grand Seiko?

I wouldn’t spend a grand on a seiko

Faith+1

shutup wrote: »

Sorry mate, I got 7 thanks including one from forum heavyweight Wibbs. The motion carries!
I’m off to buy a seiko

Grand Seiko?

shutup

Always Tired wrote: »

Do you actually think that's an appropriate analogy in any way? To compare buying a pint that costs fiver, that you can buy on any paved street, that will be consumed in a matter of minutes and is gone, to a watch that you can't get anywhere, that costs 5 figures, that will keep most or possibly increase its value, that can be passed down generations.

I get if you don't want to play the little games rich people play but that was just a really daft analogy on many levels. When your target market is people with plenty of dosh, the only way to make them desire your product besides quality and legacy/brand recognition is scarcity. In fact that's how you make sure the ones with the dosh are willing to part with loads of it. They need some kind of challenge! And the shops need to sell more than just the popular watch of the moment to keep afloat im guessing.

And you will often get perks for being a regular in a pub ad well! Lock ins, the odd freebie etc.

Sorry mate, I got 7 thanks including one from forum heavyweight Wibbs. The motion carries!
I’m off to buy a seiko

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Wibbs wrote: »

Fairly stylish and quirky, but likely to break down at any moment? Sounds about right.

lol....your not wrong...you can see what forums my autocorrect is usually on

Wibbs

Dante Delicious Magnum wrote: »

alfa males

Fairly stylish and quirky, but likely to break down at any moment? Sounds about right.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Cienciano wrote: »

And they'd be right!

As for the porsche analogy, username put it well, imagine the bog standard one going for the same price as the RS. And the green one going for more because green is in fashion at the moment.

I agree, its mental. When the hulk came out most people thought it was not very nice, now its the darling why? because its hard to get.

I love Rolex, I think they are great. But until we (alfa males with thousands of euros to waste invest in watches) stop licking the ass of AD jobworths nothing is going to change. There are plenty of Rolex out there at great prices if you look and ask.

Oafley Jones

Marcusm wrote: »

If you think Rolex is nuts, never marry anyone with a Louis Vuitton addiction...

Farfetch ads on Facebook are currently trying to sell me a second hand LV football for 5700 Euro. Naturally, I’m waiting for the 10% discount.

Cienciano

Dante Delicious Magnum wrote: »

they see us as stupid sheep following the trends

And they'd be right!

As for the porsche analogy, username put it well, imagine the bog standard one going for the same price as the RS. And the green one going for more because green is in fashion at the moment.

Marcusm

Wibbs wrote: »

The general principles of buying and selling go out the window with certain luxury goods. The customer fighting for the right to buy being one. That's generally in play to help with the rarity idea, but at the moment with the recent demand for Rolex gone mainstream it's gone a bit nuts.

If you think Rolex is nuts, never marry anyone with a Louis Vuitton addiction...

Wibbs

OK folks, not this again please.

fret_wimp2

Dante Delicious Magnum wrote: »

Firstly I never insulted your dads watches, I did rightly guess that you had not been left watches as you saw no value in them beyond your own death. Good you were waiting in the long grass to attack me rather than the arguement...

Secondly worth is always monetary, value is not. And when it comes to discussions on buying Rolex new and used money does come I to it. And the old adage is buy the seller.

Thirdly I am not insinuating I will not partake in an interview process to buy unnecessary luxury goods. I am overtly saying it. I will not.

If talking money is too crass I would suggest the "how hard is it to get the Rolex you want" thread will anger you.

You were called on it by more than just me. maybe everyone in that thread except you was wrong. its the only possible conclusion.

username?!

Wibbs wrote: »

Though I would take AD's tales with a pinch of salt.

100% agree. I'm just repeating what their thought process was, on that given second.

Anyway, my search for a SubDate at retail continues...

Wibbs

username?! wrote: »

For Porsche, I can understand their business model. You can buy any entry level model with ease, but our "better, more expensive, exclusive" models are only for repeat customers.

Rolex has done the opposite here, the "entry level" sports watches are the hardest to find. People are drooling over a SS piece that is worth 8k but ignoring PM pieces that cost 4 times as much.

Yup, but like I said U, Rolex are absolute masters of marketing and considering that the Swiss watch industry marketing overall is in the top bracket anyway, it takes some genius to be king among kings. Plus the SS models have the wider profit margin for Rolex and other makers so there's that too. Just like there is a bigger profit margin with mechanical over quartz, so generally speaking brands would much rather sell you a mechanical rather than quartz and an SS model than an 18kt gold model.

What they are doing, is making "entry" into the Rolex world harder for the "ordinary person" who wants to buy 1 or 2 watches in their lifetime.

Indeed U, though I suspect that the vast bulk of the current demand is coming from existing watch hobbyists, especially the newer folks to the field, rather than the chap or chappess buying the one lifetime watch. There would be the Asian market too, but IIRC that has contracted from a peak a couple of years ago.

This was "confirmed" to me when I asked the question about the shortage to an AD in Dublin who responded by telling me Rolex are unhappy with the clientele that are purchasing SS models.

Bless. And a bit odd considering that their gold models still have the old sniff of being bought by car salesmen and wideboys with gold teeth. I would have thought their SS models are much more the ordinary more discerning chap with some extra spending money clientele base? Though I would take AD's tales with a pinch of salt.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Firstly I never insulted your dads watches, I did rightly guess that you had not been left watches as you saw no value in them beyond your own death. Good you were waiting in the long grass to attack me rather than the arguement...

Secondly worth is always monetary, value is not. And when it comes to discussions on buying Rolex new and used money does come I to it. And the old adage is buy the seller.

Thirdly I am not insinuating I will not partake in an interview process to buy unnecessary luxury goods. I am overtly saying it. I will not.

If talking money is too crass I would suggest the "how hard is it to get the Rolex you want" thread will anger you.

username?!

For Porsche, I can understand their business model. You can buy any entry level model with ease, but our "better, more expensive, exclusive" models are only for repeat customers.

Rolex has done the opposite here, the "entry level" sports watches are the hardest to find. People are drooling over a SS piece that is worth 8k but ignoring PM pieces that cost 4 times as much.

What they are doing, is making "entry" into the Rolex world harder for the "ordinary person" who wants to buy 1 or 2 watches in their lifetime. This was "confirmed" to me when I asked the question about the shortage to an AD in Dublin who responded by telling me Rolex are unhappy with the clientele that are purchasing SS models.

funkyouup

Please do the world a favour and lock this heap of ****e.

fret_wimp2

Dante Delicious Magnum wrote: »

Hey now, hold your outrage and dont quote me out of context, we have fallen out before with you doing that.

The suggestion I was countering clearly was that in order for you to be deemed worthy of getting a stupid watch, the person working in the AD is interviewing you and you are licking their arse to ingratiate yourself. They are judging if you are worthy.

My point is that these sales people are not in a position to do that (I tried to phrase it more humorously assuming I am dealing with friends here and not the easily offended)

back at ya, this isnt the first time in the past week you have measured worth based on money. I wasnt easily offended last time, i was justly offended that you insinuated that my dads watches he may or may not leave me are worthless.

here, youre taking a situation and making it petty by insinuating that your not going to partake in the interview process partly because of how much the sales man may be worth.

Call it humor, call it out of context but its clear how you measure people and things.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

fret_wimp2 wrote: »

Wow.

whats in the sales mans account is irrelevant.
If you think this deeply about all the sales people you deal with, how do you buy anything?

I get what the sales guy is doing, he's leveraging his position of relative power in this situation to make extra sales/profits/commission. Making hay and all that. Its annoying, but i can see the angle.
If he has a product that is not desirable, we are all not rushing in to offer list price for it, he has to take a hit.

But his bank balance has as much to do with this situation as the price of turnips in china, or however the saying goes.

Hey now, hold your outrage and dont quote me out of context, we have fallen out before with you doing that.

The suggestion I was countering clearly was that in order for you to be deemed worthy of getting a stupid watch, the person working in the AD is interviewing you and you are licking their arse to ingratiate yourself. They are judging if you are worthy.

My point is that these sales people are not in a position to do that (I tried to phrase it more humorously assuming I am dealing with friends here and not the easily offended) either from a watch knowledge point of view nor do they value the watches in the same way as we do, they see us as stupid sheep following the trends. We are having a conversation about grey dealers versus AD and old versus new, so my point obviously is that I would rather deal with a grey market dealer with a nice watch on his wrist (money where mouth is, and all the Indy dealers I deal with all have lovely watches themselves and a deep knowledge) and a good knowledge of watches who can advise me on a purchase, than the average AD young fella that not interested in me because I am not Asian. Last time I bought new in a AD the fellow got fired a few week later so where was my good will then? My wife bought much much jewellery off a sales assistant in one AD over the years and she has since retired...wheres my kudos now...?

When I buy anything of value, I want the person selling it to have at least two of the following things. AD's have none as far as I can see, maybe if I licked upped more? But I would rather pay the grey market difference or get something else.

1. The Item to sell.
2. The knowledge on the item.
3. The will to sell it to me

I refer to the design of Rolex being akin to a 911 (unchanging, recognisable and timeless) rather than the business model. You can have any model Porsche you want if you have the cash except the limited edition 911 R, you will wait for RS cars too especially when they are just released but generally supply is grand if you have the cash. In Ireland we get good allocation that is never really totally sold due to the VRT robbery...so if you have 500k you can have a GT2