Stop moaning ffs wrote: » Rob I know you’re not native but I’d avoid Irish Central as a ‘news’ source. It’s an agenda driven outlet for Irish Americans who mostly have never been here and They regularly peddle bullsh!t like the Irish were slaves etc. Not a reliable outlet whatsoever. Good recipes occasionally and a john hinde postcard image of Ireland for 3rd and 4th generation Americans who think they’re irish.
downcow wrote: Is it because the golfers are wealthy that he has flipped it around. The annual event is the parade so if anyone is doing the hijacking then its the golfers
RobMc59 wrote: » I'm surprised you didn't have a look yourself but here's another link,he did say it himself in his autobiographyhttps://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/barry-mcguigan-the-police-gave-me-a-gun-131630
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » I’m not doubting he said it. I’d read that site with a huge level of caution is all I’m saying. Ps he wasn’t ‘run out of Ireland.’ He was a national hero here. Same time as Dennis ______ the snooker player. Can’t recall his surname. Dammit old age
Conall Cernach wrote: » Dennis Taylor who incidentally Alex Higgins threatened to get the UVF to sort out.
“I was told there was a plot to kidnap me,” recalls the boxing legend. “Security forces on both sides of the border were keeping an eye on me. “It came at a time when people were disappearing and not long after the kidnapping of the racehorse Shergar.
RobMc59 wrote: » They'll be the ones who funded the ira via noraid I imagine.
FrancieBrady wrote: » RobMc59 wrote: » I'm surprised you didn't have a look yourself but here's another link,he did say it himself in his autobiographyhttps://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/barry-mcguigan-the-police-gave-me-a-gun-131630 The article does not say 'He was hounded out of Monaghan and Ireland' Rob. And nowhere in that article does McGuigan say he was threatened by the IRA either. It is the Mirror journalist that says 'it was republican terrorists that put a price on his head'. Here is what McGuigan ACTUALLY says: “I was told there was a plot to kidnap me,” recalls the boxing legend. “Security forces on both sides of the border were keeping an eye on me. “It came at a time when people were disappearing and not long after the kidnapping of the racehorse Shergar. i.e. 'He was told'...he does not mention any direct contact with any group. Learn how to read how journalists/hacks slant stories Rob.
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » RobMc59 wrote: » They'll be the ones who funded the ira via noraid I imagine. You’re being a bit controversial there but yeah pretty much. It was more the high level posh Irish Americans did that though. Unionists/loyalist paramilitaries had the considerable finances of the British government though. Let’s not forget that. Ira just were rather more effective with the money is the only difference.
RobMc59 wrote: » Ok francie,its all in the wild imagination of a reporter,yeah right:)
RobMc59 wrote: » Yes,they used it to buy drugs.https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/dec/09/northernireland.colombia
downcow wrote: » Excellent. They will all see amazing ulster scots culture on display. This is where the mask slips. If these events were as you describe then you would be pleased that the visitors will see disgraceful misbehaviour, but you actually know they are going to witness something that will really impress them. Would you be saying the same if there was a fleadh in town for the golfers to witness More spin from the usual suspects as you will evidence from this link that it is the Saturday after the 13th of July every yearhttp://www.bandparades.co.uk/event/sons-of-ulster-16 I am sure they'll all love the spectacle Here's a wee clip from last year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jMvw_M_0Ko
citytillidie wrote: » I would have said the same for any rebel band concert. Keep it all out of sport
FrancieBrady wrote: » RobMc59 wrote: » I read his autobiography a few years back in which he mentioned the ira threatening him,I had the chance to watch him fight in London back in the 80s and still regret not going to this day. You knowing him is interesting and you are lucky to have sparred with him,he is a true boxing legend imo!https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irish-boxing-legend-barry-mcguigan-carried-a-gun-due-to-threat-of-ira-123091558-237391401 Be man enough to withdraw the statement: 'He was hounded out of Monaghan and Ireland' please. He wasn't. Nor is there a single mention of the IRA in that article. Many many people where schooled in protection during the conflict/war and saw themselves as victims of potential kidnappings. No surprise or revelation there. And yes, it does feel a bit odd to be cherishing the fact that I took a battering from a much smaller man!
RobMc59 wrote: » I read his autobiography a few years back in which he mentioned the ira threatening him,I had the chance to watch him fight in London back in the 80s and still regret not going to this day. You knowing him is interesting and you are lucky to have sparred with him,he is a true boxing legend imo!https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irish-boxing-legend-barry-mcguigan-carried-a-gun-due-to-threat-of-ira-123091558-237391401
RobMc59 wrote: » If I believe I'm wrong about something I would own up to it or apologise if I wrongly accused someone of something they didn't do-as well you know francie so don't insult me by saying I'm making it up..And as far as being man enough I could do a bit of bobbing and weaving myself back in the day!:)
citytillidie wrote: » I would have said the same for any rebel band concert. Keep it all out of sport We not keep it then to the 13th why the need for an extra onehttp://www.bandparades.co.uk/event/sons-of-ulster-20/
downcow wrote: » If you are consistent then i can't complain, but i can still disagree. If there had been a fleadh organised for portrush and the golfers decided to come then i think the fleadh should go ahead. I don't agree with you that the town should be sanitised of culture because the golf is there.
FrancieBrady wrote: » If it took 'months of talks' to resolve there were obviously difficulties. Even the RC church will cancel masses here if they clash and cause logistical difficulties with GAA football matches.
lawred2 wrote: » a fleadh?
downcow wrote: » ?? edit* I have just checked the spelling and seems to be correct so i don't understand your confusion?
downcow wrote: » where are you reading about months of talks?
This is a decision that has taken us several months to come to, as there were many factors to take into consideration.
downcow wrote: » ??
FrancieBrady wrote: » RobMc59 wrote: » If I believe I'm wrong about something I would own up to it or apologise if I wrongly accused someone of something they didn't do-as well you know francie so don't insult me by saying I'm making it up..And as far as being man enough I could do a bit of bobbing and weaving myself back in the day!:) So you present no back up for 'he was hounded out of Monaghan and Ireland' and you say you are not making it up? This is as much as McGuigan says: “I was told there was a plot to kidnap me,” recalls the boxing legend. “Security forces on both sides of the border were keeping an eye on me. “It came at a time when people were disappearing and not long after the kidnapping of the racehorse Shergar. Nothing more, not a single mention of a direct threat from anybody. Yet you and janfebmar say that he was hounded out of his home county and the country is 'historical truth??? How do you expect to be taken seriously? Two dangerous and insidious sensationalists. A disgrace to the idea of honest debate the pair of you tbh.
