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How hard is it to get the rolex you want

Bren_C

Hi All,

I've a birthday of significance coming up in 18 months and have decided to treat myself with a rolex, I had decided on the new air king but as the work bonus went well I can go for a GMT. Had resigned myself (if you can call it that) to the blue one as Pepsi was only in white gold but see now that they have a steel version with a jubilee strap. They seem to be selling for mad money 20k on chrono 24 etc. and none if the irish jewllers can shed any light, so what my best bet at getting one from a retailer at close to RRP? I'm in Switzerland 2/3 times a year for work so is that an option......

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fluffer wrote: »

I'm one of the idiots apparently.

I want The Rolex GMT-Master II Ref. 126710 BLNR ("Batman")

I already own an IWC 7-day, Breitling Transocean, Omega DSOTM, G-Shock M-RG and a few more, but this is my grail watch right now. I intend to mark an occasion with it, but wow, the prices and availabillity are realling shocking.

I've been abroad for years (typically buying watches from grey market dealers in the USA) and the few shops I've been to in UK and Ireland are all banging on about needing an established relationship. Even the fact I would buy a few other watches in at the same time doesn't seem to have an effect. Its my only leverage, so I wont buy the others unless my watch is available.

Any advice on how to get this?
I may just give up and go for a different brand/watch, but it would be a shame.

They aren't hard to get there are seven or eight on watchfinder at the moment.

A quick search on chrono24 brings up over eight hundred.

fret_wimp2

How much does one need to spend when "building a relationship" with an Ad?

And why not call it what it is, an entry fee to be able to buy the watch you want. It's not like anyone is bringing their ad a coffee and bagel on their way to work, or treating them to a nice meal now and then to build a relationship, the ask if for customers to spend a lot of money on less desirable stock, before they have a shot at paying a lot of money for the item the customer wants.

I'd like to know what the expected spend is.

ArphaRima

I'm one of the idiots apparently.

I want The Rolex GMT-Master II Ref. 126710 BLNR ("Batman")

I already own an IWC 7-day, Breitling Transocean, Omega DSOTM, G-Shock M-RG and a few more, but this is my grail watch right now. I intend to mark an occasion with it, but wow, the prices and availabillity are realling shocking.

I've been abroad for years (typically buying watches from grey market dealers in the USA) and the few shops I've been to in UK and Ireland are all banging on about needing an established relationship. Even the fact I would buy a few other watches in at the same time doesn't seem to have an effect. Its my only leverage, so I wont buy the others unless my watch is available.

Any advice on how to get this?
I may just give up and go for a different brand/watch, but it would be a shame.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Rootsblower wrote: »

This article was on TRF a few months ago i believe it sums up the Rolex marketing strategy well

http://www.thefashionlaw.com/home/the-24-anti-laws-of-marketing

Sometimes when something is written down it seems so obvious. Good link there thanks.

Rootsblower

Apparently Rolex are still producing the same amount of watches per annum it’s just that a lot of people are buying just to sell to make quick bucks and consequently they are now seen as a commodity. Even the datejust 41mm are increasingly rare, pretty much all that’s available is oyster perpetual and precious metal models. It’s all gonna end in tears for some who get caught out

mcko

I put my name down for a Sub no date in Weirs about a month ago, at least a year and a half wait time, it is nuts I bought my first Rolex out of the window in 21 years ago.People won't believe me when I tell them that the wait is so long.

893bet

Rootsblower wrote: »

Why would you spend so much money that your not even mad keen on as you put it.

If you can’t get one take it. Sell for 4K profit the next day.

Rootsblower

Jude13 wrote: »

I got a BLRO from an AD in Ireland early this year, so I was about a year waiting as it was released in baselworld last April (2018) I believe. I just kept on their case, bot annoying them, just emailing asking etc. I am down for a BLNR which I am not mad keen on and would most likely sell on after a year. Though I have said that before and kept the intended flip watch.

Why would you spend so much money that your not even mad keen on as you put it.

Jude13

Rootsblower wrote: »

Without a serious purchase history I’d say you’ve more hope of winning Miss World than getting a GMT Pepsi.

There’s 2 Tudor Black Bay GMT’s on adverts both look great

I got a BLRO from an AD in Ireland early this year, so I was about a year waiting as it was released in baselworld last April (2018) I believe. I just kept on their case, bot annoying them, just emailing asking etc. I am down for a BLNR which I am not mad keen on and would most likely sell on after a year. Though I have said that before and kept the intended flip watch.

Oafley Jones

Cyrus wrote: »

yep or worse

2 years ago i could conceive owning a 5711, not any more

For the laugh, I asked Keane's what the current situation was in getting an Aquanaut. I was told that before, if you bought three watches with them, you'd be pretty much sure of getting one. That's gone now, I was told it's pretty much almost an impossible ask regardless of your spend.

Cyrus

893bet wrote: »

Patek and AP sports are worse! All trading double retail.

yep or worse

2 years ago i could conceive owning a 5711, not any more

893bet

scwazrh wrote: »

This thread really sums up how brilliant the Rolex marketing department is . People are willing to spend thousands in a store just to be awarded the privilege of being allowed buy a Rolex and then are willing to wait years on a wait list for same.

And at the same time there is Pateks , AP and grand seikos waiting for new homes but being ignored because they are not Rolex.All equal if not surpassing in quality but just don’t seem to create the same “want” that Rolex marketing can.

Patek and AP sports are worse! All trading double retail.

Rootsblower

This article was on TRF a few months ago i believe it sums up the Rolex marketing strategy well

http://www.thefashionlaw.com/home/the-24-anti-laws-of-marketing

scwazrh

This thread really sums up how brilliant the Rolex marketing department is . People are willing to spend thousands in a store just to be awarded the privilege of being allowed buy a Rolex and then are willing to wait years on a wait list for same.

And at the same time there is Pateks , AP and grand seikos waiting for new homes but being ignored because they are not Rolex.All equal if not surpassing in quality but just don’t seem to create the same “want” that Rolex marketing can.

Time

OmegaGene wrote: »

Bet they won’t take it

They won't, I've offered to pay up front for a sub and got told no, but at least they know i'm serious.

Cyrus

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

Unfortunately they do nothing for me, really dislike the hands, the crown and the faux rivets.

seconded

Creamy Goodness

"Rootsblower&#8221 wrote:

There’s 2 Tudor Black Bay GMT’s on adverts both look great

Unfortunately they do nothing for me, really dislike the hands, the crown and the faux rivets.

Rootsblower

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

Thanks. No looking for a no date sub but GMT-II with red/blue bezel. Probably just a long a list.

Without a serious purchase history I’d say you’ve more hope of winning Miss World than getting a GMT Pepsi.

There’s 2 Tudor Black Bay GMT’s on adverts both look great

893bet

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

I'd be happy to wait 2-3 years anyways, I think the missus would kill me if I bought any sooner :pac:

There is no list if you are not known. They have 100 buyers for every watch. THey 100’s of enquiries a week from all over the world.

You have close to zero chance as possible.

It’s a funny dynamic that you need to spend x amount on **** you don’t want to be allowed spend on what you do want.

Creamy Goodness

Cyrus wrote: »

forget about a blro gmt any time soon

I'd be happy to wait 2-3 years anyways, I think the missus would kill me if I bought any sooner :pac:

Cyrus

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

Thanks. No looking for a no date sub but GMT-II with red/blue bezel. Probably just a long a list.

forget about a blro gmt any time soon

Cyrus

Rootsblower wrote: »

If your name is in their database as a previous customer having purchased anything at all not just Rolex would help. Depending on how much the previous spend was will dictate how quick u get your no date sub. I’m told they are harder to get than a sub with date.

have you been in weirs lately?

database indeed,

they still work off ledger books

Creamy Goodness

Rootsblower wrote: »

If your name is in their database as a previous customer having purchased anything at all not just Rolex would help. Depending on how much the previous spend was will dictate how quick u get your no date sub. I’m told they are harder to get than a sub with date.

Thanks. No looking for a no date sub but GMT-II with red/blue bezel. Probably just a long a list.

Rootsblower

Cyrus wrote: »

loads of anecdotal evidence in the UK that it does help.

Not sure how weirs or keanes operate here to be honest nor do i know how much stock they get!

They operate on previous customers get priority

Rootsblower

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

Does building a relationship with an AD would that span cross watch brands e.g. would me owning an Omega from Weirs help in getting on the Rolex list?

If your name is in their database as a previous customer having purchased anything at all not just Rolex would help. Depending on how much the previous spend was will dictate how quick u get your no date sub. I’m told they are harder to get than a sub with date.

Creamy Goodness

Does building a relationship with an AD span cross watch brands e.g. would me owning an Omega from Weirs help in getting on the Weir's Rolex list?

Cyrus

Rootsblower wrote: »

That probably won’t help, even “basic” SS models are massively in demand.AD’s require a previous purchase history before you get a shot at the good stuff. Your best bet without establishing a ‘relationship’ with an AD is to buy from the secondary market. Though this may cost a few bob more than retail price.

loads of anecdotal evidence in the UK that it does help.

Not sure how weirs or keanes operate here to be honest nor do i know how much stock they get!

Rootsblower

Cyrus wrote: »

ask can you leave a deposit should help

That probably won’t help, even “basic” SS models are massively in demand.AD’s require a previous purchase history before you get a shot at the good stuff. Your best bet without establishing a ‘relationship’ with an AD is to buy from the secondary market. Though this may cost a few bob more than retail price.

username?!

Cyrus wrote: »

ask can you leave a deposit should help

Good shout, I'll do that the next time I'm in.

Cyrus

username?! wrote: »

What's the best way to actually get put on the waiting list for a Submariner no date or 216570 in an Ireland AD?

I've called in before but just don't get taken seriously regarding being put on a list, I'm not looking for a BLNR or Hulk, just a "basic" steel sports watch.

ask can you leave a deposit should help