peddlelies wrote: » I don't know about you, but claiming a country has hypnotized the world and we need to stop their evil doings sound pretty anti-Semitic to me.
peddlelies wrote: » Having a different opinion is pathetic is it? I'm sure you'll get plenty of thanks for that post.
kilns wrote: » Some Americans really need to be educated about what socialism actually is but the propoganda that is shoved down their throat does nothing to help
rossie1977 wrote: » Disagree. Cost of healthcare, education, jobs and wages are all issues that effect voters in swing states especially the rust belt. More chance those voters would choose someone they can relate to over a billionaire who lives in a gold tower or an affluent prosecutor from the bay area.
everlast75 wrote: » Trump being classed definitively as racist, whilst being the current President of the US is more dangerous and indeed important ,than 4 junior, freshmen Democrats. Very simple.
robinph wrote: » Shock biased poll results found from biased poll:
ancapailldorcha wrote: » I never said this and well you know it.
peddlelies wrote: » If I was purposely being deceitful then why did Nancy Pelosi a few months ago force Omar to apologise over her statements?https://www.npr.org/2019/02/11/693480995/house-democrats-urge-party-leaders-to-condemn-anti-semitism?t=1563374198356 ""We are and will always be strong supporters of Israel in Congress because we understand that our support is based on shared values and strategic interests. Legitimate criticism of Israel's policies is protected by the values of free speech and democratic debate that the United States and Israel share. But Congresswoman Omar's use of anti-Semitic tropes and prejudicial accusations about Israel's supporters is deeply offensive. We condemn these remarks and we call upon Congresswoman Omar to immediately apologize for these hurtful comments."
ancapailldorcha wrote: » You claimed that I stated that having a different opinion is pathetic. I did not say this.
It sounds to me like you're trying to poison the well here to be honest regarding Ocasio-Cortez, Omar et al. It's quite transparent and more than a tad pathetic to be honest. By all means, criticize but playing the tired old "Any criticism or Israel whatsoever=antisemitism" card is just tedious at this stage.
peddlelies wrote: » So it's the way I'm going about it, that's pathetic? What way would you prefer I criticize them? Should I just not mention them at all, would that suit better?
peddlelies wrote: » Maybe non crazy propositions would be a better way of going about it instead of talking about farting cows, getting rid of aeroplanes and giving money to those who can't be bothered working? Focusing on healthcare and education ideals would garner a lot of support, but she and the others didn't do that. The "green new deal" didn't get a single yes vote in the senate. Most Democrats voted present but some voted nay. Why is that, do you think? I think the answer is obvious.
peddlelies wrote: » Having a different opinion is pathetic is it? I'm sure you'll get plenty of thanks for that post. I don't need to say a thing, the poll numbers are there for all to see in black and white. The overwhelming majority of Americans have negative views on people like Cortez and Omar. Fact.
is_that_so wrote: » It is but he says he's not racist and he is the President! Some people will accept both of those things.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » That post was a response to you trying to equate criticism of Israel with antisemitism.
peddlelies wrote: » How do you reckon they'd score on the anti-Semitism meter? Oh and btw, how often has Cortez and her ilk tried to shame "old white men". Last time I checked making a judgement on someone based on skin colour is racism.
"Anti-Semitism is real," Omar tweeted Monday afternoon, "and I am grateful for Jewish allies and colleagues who are educating me on the painful history of anti-Semitic tropes."
peddlelies wrote: » Nancy Pelosi came to the the conclusion that some of Omar's past statements were anti-semitic. To deny there's not an anti-semitic segment in the Democrat party is just ignoring reality. Take a look at the Women's march and the people who run it. Some celebrities like Alyssa Milano refuse to attend anymore because of it, Cortez, Omar and that ilk continue to attend and give speeches.
26000 Elephants wrote: » "Anti-Semitism is real," Omar tweeted Monday afternoon, "and I am grateful for Jewish allies and colleagues who are educating me on the painful history of anti-Semitic tropes." Now, lets see Trump deal with child-rape and racism in a similar manner.
peddlelies wrote: » So if you make a statement after the fact that clears you of all wrongdoing and accountability? Solid logic there.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » Maybe so but then the president referred to neo-Nazis as "very fine people" so I'm finding it odd that you don't criticize him with the same zeal that you do these women.
“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”
26000 Elephants wrote: » So..... you dont like that she apologised for it? And how does an apology impact accountability?
Will Trump make similar statements in the context of Epstein and Acosta? Will Trump make similar statements in the context of his racist remarks against members of Congress?
rossie1977 wrote: » Being critical of current Israeli government's actions isn't anti-Semitic. Some of the biggest critics of Netanyahu are actually living in Israel. The more and more Netanyahu moves to the far right and ignores international law the more criticism will come his way. That was protest vote.Republicans tried to pull a fast one and get issue voted on without any sort of debate etc so Democrats didn't vote on it. There are plenty of senators and non Democratic entities that endorse green deal. Nothing in green deal suggests elimination of air travel. That's was a Republican talking point. Obviously Green Deal is hugely ambitious and likely couldn't be implemented for another 30 years but it would see huge changes in how the US is run. Overwhelming majority of Americans likely don't know who AOC and certainly don't know who Omar even is. The people who do know would be Fox prime time viewers or those who listen to right wing pundits so obviously would think negatively of her as they are being bombarded 24/7 by how bad/stupid/evil/unamerican she is.
Danzy wrote: » That isn't true though. He grouped the Antifa/Nazi types in one group, put like with like. The non Nazis and the protesters who wouldn't be ANTIFA totalitarian were on the other side.
rossie1977 wrote: » Nothing in green deal suggests elimination of air travel. That's was a Republican talking point. Obviously Green Deal is hugely ambitious and likely couldn't be implemented for another 30 years but it would see huge changes in how the US is run.
RIGOLO wrote: » so now the anti-Trumpers claim that bringing a bill to the floor and having an open democratic vote on it is pulling a fast one. Since when is allowing a vote on something " A FAST ONE " And then to claim plenty of Senators support it, is an even further stretch.THERE WERE 0 ZERO SENATORS VOTED FOR THE GREEN NEW DEAL ZERO ... and you claim many Senators support it ... Is this a new Democrat and anti-Trump position on voting practice? Allowing a vote to take place is a fast one and not voting for something means we support it.
