downcow wrote: » Tell me how many recent ones you would like. I have tried to avoid posting stuff that shows nationalists in a bad light but since you are so much in denial I give you a few. If you need more let me know and I’ll oblige.https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/burning-names-of-murdered-officers-a-hate-crime-t0l6jnfp3https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/bonfire-sign-glorifies-my-dads-murder-says-frazer-37197458.html
downcow wrote: » That’s a bit rich. You had us back in 1962 looking for Paisley OO membership
FrancieBrady wrote: » As usual on this forum, anecdote is not enough. I supplied this link which states 'Arlene is a committed member of the Order'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlene_Foster It is up to you to supply a link to debunk that.
downcow wrote: » Just in Directly from the horses mouth. Arlene is not in the orange order. I don’t need an apology, a simple retraction will suffice lol. It is really interesting when this forum gives space to follow nationalists on some of the demonising of the unionist community their stories start to fall apart. Francie made the offer to challenge him on his assertions so I just took his next post and done just that. Every fact he stated has now been debunked bar the paisley membership of OO (which we discovered ended in 1962). I feel sad that southerners seem to take northern nationalists spin and exaggerations hook line and sinker. But a genuine thank you to the mods on this thread for putting up with all our petty crap to allow us to get to the truth. Some threads close unionists down when the screw is turning on the nationalist myths Now I really don’t have the energy to debunk anymore posts today, but if you need more recent evidence of union flag burning etc just let me know. At your service
RobMc59 wrote: » Downcow,You may have to ease up on francie,he's having a bad day today and is probably sitting muttering to himself in a darkened room..
downcow wrote: Yes I see he has now deleted his last post claiming he did not say Arlene was a member of OO Just as I was away searching for his quote. What ever else he’s nifty around these boards and not stupid. Here’s his quote "The OO's distinct manifesto was to influence the politics of northern Ireland and they did and still are. Not sure about Peter Robinson being a member but Ian Paisley was and Foster is a member" Now possibly he meant dr foster who went to Gloucester
In May 2018, she announced she would be leading an Orange Order march in Fife, Scotland. As a committed member of the Order, this was a reason behind the original defection from the UUP ten years ago
FrancieBrady wrote: » Here is the only proof we have so far:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlene_Foster When we get proof to the contrary, I am happy to withdraw the accusation that she is a member, as I did about Ian and the IOO
downcow wrote: » Francie that is ridiculous. It’s not possible to get evidence that something doesn’t exist and well you know it. Could you get me evidence that Gerry Adams did not belong to kkk ? I thought you would accept my word for it when I tell you that Arlene has stated categorically today that she is not a member of OO. she has confirmed this in direct response to you asserting that she is. You gotta be a wee bit more trusting francie
downcow wrote: » We have already noted on many posts that young people on both sides here unfortunately burn the flag of what they see as the aggressor Happens the world over. It is just so sad if you measure a whole community by the actions of a few. Probably says more about you.
And I know you don’t like comparisons but there is a campaign to put Irish signs where people don’t want them
Imreoir2 wrote: » By a few, or by a huge number with the tacit (at least) aproval of the leaders of your community? You should finish your sentance, it's a campain to put Irish signs where people don’t want them... according to a member of the UUP. The reality of course is different, but no surprise there. Conradh na Gaeilge actually published an FAQ document to debunk the flase claims made by opponents of an Irish Language Act. On street signage they had this to say: Local council policy currently dictate the rules on erecting bilingual street signs, but each council is different, some have attempted to bring forward policies banning Irish on all signs, and some promote the language through bilingual signage. Bilingual (Irish and English) Street signs should be facilitated where there is demonstrable demand from local residents. This should have a uniform criteria of 50% +1 of respondents to a council survey where people want signs. Councils should also take pro-active measures to include indigenous place-names in new developments, if this is applicable.https://cnag.ie/images/Acht_Gaeilge_Ceisteanna_Coitianta_FAQ_2019.pdf I trust you will stop making this false claim now?
downcow wrote: » So the question remains unanswered whether you would call for the banners supporting the hunger strikers be removed. Some on here said they didn’t kill civilians. One of them was directly involved in the kings mill massacre, separating a bus load of civilians in to prods and catholic’s and then murdering all the Catholics - and he has a kids play park named after him. But let’s get the para banners down cause they were bad boys.
downcow wrote: » The paras are looked up to as hero’s because they stood up to terrorism. You should look back at what you are saying - it would be like me saying to you that the hunger strikers are looked up to because they slaughtered Protestants. I would have a little more empathy with you than to say that.
downcow wrote: » I made no false claims. I personal listened to their spokesperson say he would expect Irish signs in the shankill whether people wanted them or not. It shouldn’t be difficult to find the quote. What you have included above is totally reasonable if that is their new position. I would have no complaints about. It’s just the old problem that you will be able to identify the makeup of the area and hence who feels welcome by the signage
armaghlad wrote: » Just curious as to how he was directly involved? Being caught with the weapon used doesn’t necessarily mean he carried out the Kingsmill massacre.
downcow wrote: » I made no false claims. I personal listened to their spokesperson say he would expect Irish signs in the shankill whether people wanted them or not. It shouldn’t be difficult to find the quote.
What you have included above is totally reasonable if that is their new position. I would have no complaints about. It’s just the old problem that you will be able to identify the makeup of the area and hence who feels welcome by the signage
downcow wrote: » Here we are. Same group saying the opposite. I am pleased if they are realising their initial position would never fly. And to be honest my preferred position is that all cultures are welcome everywherehttps://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/unionist-fears-as-irish-groups-spell-out-vision-for-language-1-8375754/amp
FrancieBrady wrote: » You do understand what a 'rights based' proposal is yeh? There will be dual language signs on the Shankill if enough people there demand or want it. Because that would be their 'right' under an act. If there isn't enough people demanding/wanting it, it won't happen. Typical scaremongering by people who pluck stuff out of context.
downcow wrote: » Have wee listen to my last post and then tell us who is scaremongering
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » Imagine your whole identity being threatened by a road sign in a different language. It’s almost like they think we’re coming to force them to learn Irish and take English and ‘their British identity’ off them Can’t imagine why they’d be afraid of that. It’s not like they haven’t done it before themselves. Here.
