kilns wrote: » Thankfully the swing voter are not as stupid as Trumps based (people like you) and can see through this American and Anti American crap you through to peddle, the swing voter are more interest in more important things like the economy, healthcare etc etc so try and concentrate on that
is_that_so wrote: » I think The Squad need to step back from this. They seem to have got just a little carried away with all the attention. It's understandable in the context of the latest tweets but like many of the rest of the Dems they are not playing smart politics at all. Smart politics suggests that they clear the bloated field ASAP. It also suggests that they plan out how to beat Trump and select accordingly. Finally they need to get behind their candidate. For now things are still pointing towards his reelection because he doesn't care how dirty he has to get to do so.
Danzy wrote: » The economy is Trump's ace card. It is red hot. That and the campaign will be framed for the swing voters as a choice between him, who they might not like and a Democratic Party with a growing cabal of lunatics, who are deeply unpopular in America. He'll say look, we are making lots of jobs great jobs, the best jobs and I'm the first President in a long time who isn't starting wars, bad wars, the worst wars.
kilns wrote: » I think Pelosi knows this and that is where the internal conflict comes from, but its is just policy conflict for the Dems, despite what Fox news will want to spin it as
Danzy wrote: » The squad are the type that hate their own side more than the opposition.
Danzy wrote: » The economy is Trump's ace card. It is red hot. That and the campaign will be framed for the swing voters as a choice between him, who they might not like and a Democratic Party with a growing cabal of lunatics, who are deeply unpopular in America. He'll say look, we are making lots of jobs great jobs, the best jobs and I'm the first President in a long time who isn't starting wars, bad wars, the worst wars. He is building working class support with the illegals crackdown, reduction in overseas conflict and the middle class with a booming economy and stock market.
RIGOLO wrote: » 62 million, 9 hundred and eighty four thousand, eight hundred and twenty eight votes for TRump in 2016 . There were millions of swing voters in there, millions, all indications are they havent deserted him . Thanks for bringing up the economy and the swing voter, the DOW, S&P, NASDAQ all hit record highs last week, 401ks are all looking pretty , and unemployment rates are at their lowest. I agree the economy is very important to the swing voter , which is why they will vote for TRump who has delivered a great economy in his first term.
RIGOLO wrote: » Interesting that there were no other Democrats at the The Squads press conference , there was no one wanted to come out and stand beside them . Trumps first set of tweets were a masterpiece, and the press conference yesterday was a great follow up.
The lines have been drawn, the Democrats have to decide do they align with The Squad who hate all things American , or if they think they will win 2020 by finding another path.
If anything the Democrat party should thank Trump for his tweets, he has just forced the Democrat party to make a decision it was always going to have to make anyways. Its decision time for the Democrat Party. Do they align with the anti-American newly elected Congresswoman who do not appeal to the majority of their middle road supporters or swing voters or do they find a way to control 4 newly elected Congresswomen who are dragging their party apart and leading to a 2020 victory for DJT.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » The thing with the economy is that because it is doing well, the Democrats lose their main weapon with which to attack Trump. Without it, all they really have are his appalling personal flaws which, as we've seen either don't trouble his base or actively enthuse them.
peddlelies wrote: » Apologies, I was trying to find their stance on the matter on Wiki but I got lost somehow in the middle of all their controversies.
peddlelies wrote: » Where?https://lmgtfy.com/?q=holocaust+survivors+agree+with+alexandria+cortez+&s=g I did find thishttps://twitter.com/ADL/status/1009090073692901377
pixelburp wrote: » At the risk of personalising the debate, I find it hard to take points of view seriously when they argue that pins of the US flag on a suit jacket are more important than, policies, principles or manifestos for where to take the economy & society. Regardless of whether one agrees with those policies or not. This is exactly the same kind of Poppy Mania we see in the UK year in, year out & asinine jingoism at its finest. Or indeed the contradiction that those born into wealth are to be admired, while those who work their way across the "American Dream" are to be roundly mocked - despite being manifest, actual examples those pointless pins are meant to extol. There's a naked contradiction that I can't get past, and like I said makes (perhaps) earnest points of view demonstrably contradictory.
The House Oversight and Reform Committee demanded Monday that Education Secretary Betsy DeVos turn over all emails from her personal account related to official government business. The request comes as the panel expands its investigation into whether the Department of Education is in compliance with the Federal Records Act. [...] Cummings’s concerns centered on findings from a report published by the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) in May, which found that DeVos used a personal email account to conduct some official business and did not forward these emails to her official account as required by law.
Considering NO Democrat party member came out in favour of a parade in the Capital celebrating the 4th of July and AMerican Independance.
pixelburp wrote: » Yes, this mention of AOC's unpopularity keeps being brought up as some great prover towards her being a hated figure, but I wouldn't mind seeing some reliable sources of these numbers; there was one shared in passing that SEEMED to pin some of the blame for Amazon on AOC (which IIRC is still coming to NY anyway), but I've not seen any hard data re. popularity of Pressley, Omar, Habib & Ocasio-Cortez. TBH if there's no good data, it should stop being trotted out.
Manic Moran wrote: » She does, but there are two catches. One, as Biden, Pelosi and others have correctly observed, she does no favours to the party on the national level. She doubtlessly represents her constituents faithfully, honestly, and to the best of her abilities, but what passes for 'good' in New York City is not always going to match in the Mid-West: The attention she is getting is a point of serious concern as her policies are being conflated with the policies of the Democrat establishment as a whole. The Democrat coming across the news and facebook feeds of someone in, say, Kentucky, is more likely to be AOC than Amy McGrath, but McGrath is far closer to the sort of person who a Kentucky voter will vote for. Although Trump is very much embarrassing himself with this latest batch of tweets, it does have the effect of, again, putting folks like AOC and Omar in front of the more rural mid-western voters, not the people that the Democrats want them to be focusing on. Second, she's letting her inexperience show, or at least her enthusiasm get the better of it. I can't recall the last time Pelosi put her foot in her mouth in the same manner as AOC saying that NYC would be able to use the billions of tax cuts from Amazon on something else, and she didn't come out great in exchange against former ICE director Tom Homan this week either: She asked questions which had obvious responses she should have anticipated. (That hearing seems to have been something of a crap-show, honestly. Did you catch the full exchange between Homan and Garcia?) It seems that the Republican counterpart to AOC, in terms of social media savvy and publicity, is co-freshman Dan Crenshaw. He's not getting much time on the news, presumably because Trump's not attacking him, but he is quite prolific with the tweets, live-streams and youtube videos, he's crossing my feed a lot recently. He's the most-followed Republican on Twitter. Here's his most recent video, on the NDAA. It hits the various social media bases fairly well. It's short, to the point, in plain english, and casually presented. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNiVX5ccbAw . I expect, much as AOC has managed to do to revitalise a lot of the youth vote in the Democrat side, folks like Crenshaw will be doing the same on the Republican side. The balance of power between the old guard (Pelosi/McConnel etc) and the new guard will eventually change to the new generation, but it won't be for one side onlly.
is_that_so wrote: » Here's a recent piece. Less about being unpopular than "alarming". Poll was from May. If it does seem to impact in any way in swing states then the Trump approach makes lot of political sense by keeping her in the news.https://www.axios.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-poll-democrats-2020-aeaa3771-f142-4059-b79e-1fed569dfdf9.html
pixelburp wrote: » As you yourself mocked AOC for working her way up from bar-work to Congressional member, I challenge you as hating "all things American", because you've shown yourself to hate the very guiding principle of the "American Way if Life"; in that someone rolls up their sleeve and works their way to earn a shot. Maybe pause the rhetoric for a moment and think about the nature of those who you would otherwise praise.
jochenstacker wrote: » Your mistake is assuming that the American dream and working your way up applies to everyone equally. It only applies to white, English speaking, Christian Americans from wealthy conservative households. Everyone else doesn't count, just got lucky and if they're thinking of criticising the master race they should "go back to where they come from". So, Trump counts as having achieved the American Dream and AOC doesn't, because she's the wrong colour and used to be poor. If you look at America through the prism of racism and don't assume that the rules apply equally, everything makes sense all of a sudden.
Quin_Dub wrote: » Are they really though? If you look at the policies they are proposing , they all have fairly high levels of support - someone posted details a few pages back - Things like universal healthcare , increased taxes on the wealthy all had 60+% support and most had higher than 50% support even with GOP voters. Trump has no way to increase his support base - Well he does but he's incapable of it. His only path is to ensure that the maximum number of his base actually come out and vote. he cannot have them complacent or disinterested. He has to have the enraged and energised so he's stoking the hatred and fear amongst them.. Hillary isn't coming to get them , but some young Democrats that aren't on the ticket will somehow steal away everything that his supporters love. He only deals in fear and anger.
rossie1977 wrote: » It's really weird. The media, Republicans and most of top Democrats would have you believe that the ordinary working folks of America are more interested in corporations getting massive tax cuts, a 2,000 mile wall on the border, increased military spending or putting a conservative on the supreme court. Whereas proposals like cheaper healthcare, cheaper higher education, better wages, jobs guarantee, removing corruption in politics are far left ideas that nobody outside whacky communists could buy into.
Danzy wrote: » The economy is Trump's ace card. It is red hot.
