Sean Melodic Comb wrote: » "Go back to where you came from"... ...Spikes in numbers of death threats received whenever the president criticizes Omar.... ..It doesn't matter if people think he's racist because lots of people agree with him (paraphrasing trump)... ...1 percenter bikers celebrating trump... ...Pence touring illegal immigrants in outrageous conditions, saying it's tough but necessary... My perception of the situation has suddenly shifted. Been bemused, wondering at the idiocy and sh!tness of the president and his followers. Thinking it's a protest anger thing, a reaction to having a black president, things will swing back the other way much further in the next term. Maybe that's true but in my mind something has changed. The threat of political violence - the openness of the racism and brutality - the fanatical supporters... All this is crystallizing into something more frightening than a shambling oaf that got lucky and a bunch of angry rednecks.
EltonJohn69 wrote: » AOC really is the best speaker in the Democratic Party
greenfield21 wrote: » To the posters on here talking about the inevitable crash under Trump's policies, surely when that time comes will there not be a further swing to the right of center? What happens with people during a downturn? They become less tolerant, more nationalism etc. I know after the GR this didn't really happen but we had bailouts qe and low interests, next time we may have run out of ammo. I think people need to be careful what they wish for on the economy. A downturn may not be good for trump personally but it could further the cause of nationalism. Interesting times.
InTheShadows wrote: » EltonJohn69 wrote: » AOC really is the best speaker in the Democratic Party Highly unlikable character tbh. Her stunt at the border with the fake crying was pathetic.
FartyBlartFast wrote: » greenfield21 wrote: » Mind you, unemployment in the US is at something like 35-40%, which isn't good. That figure isn't mine either, it is as per Trump himself and his own supporters. It’s less than 4% according to google. Trump and his supporters are not credible sources obviously.
greenfield21 wrote: » Mind you, unemployment in the US is at something like 35-40%, which isn't good. That figure isn't mine either, it is as per Trump himself and his own supporters.
FartyBlartFast wrote: » What would you suggest might make her more likeable?
I'm not overly familiar with her, but drawing attention to little children getting flung into concentration camps isn't something that tur s me off a person.
Sean Melodic Comb wrote: » FartyBlartFast wrote: » greenfield21 wrote: » Mind you, unemployment in the US is at something like 35-40%, which isn't good. That figure isn't mine either, it is as per Trump himself and his own supporters. It’s less than 4% according to google. Trump and his supporters are not credible sources obviously. The prob e is, that is it the metric Trump and his supporters weigh unemoyment on, which they made clear to. E and again during the 2016 election. As per them and him, it was 40% back then. Statistics showing around 4-5% were false an inaccurate, alps as per Trump and his supporters. Which has not changed a lot in the 2.5 years since. Edit: linky - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/28/trump_unemployment_rate_as_high_as_40.html
InTheShadows wrote: » Highly unlikable character tbh. Her stunt at the border with the fake crying was pathetic.
peddlelies wrote: » Perhaps not mocking victims of the holocaust claiming border detention centers are akin to concentration camps?
peddlelies wrote: » FartyBlartFast wrote: » What would you suggest might make her more likeable? Perhaps not mocking victims of the holocaust claiming border detention centers are akin to concentration camps? I'm not overly familiar with her, but drawing attention to little children getting flung into concentration camps isn't something that tur s me off a person. Oh wait. Nevermind.
Bloch said the conditions reported at the border camps sound painfully similar to her own. “It’s the same conditions I lived through—we never had soap, but we had water, cold water, and not necessarily a shower. No toilet paper. It was inhuman.” “[In concentration camps] people have no control over their lives,” she continued. “You have to go to sleep when the light goes out, you have to eat when they want you to eat. You can’t express your own thoughts, because you might get penalized for that.” - - - It's mainly because of their (the migrants) color and where they’re coming from. But as a rule, humans are not very nice. People like to always look down on somebody else,” she said. “Instead of when you look down to pull that person up, they shove them down more. They don’t want to identify as human beings with those people and that’s a bad attitude. But it’s a human thing.”
Hurrache wrote: » Jesus.
Headshot wrote: » AOC is a very impressive woman, she didnt have to read any notes but yet was very clear and precise. She seems to always comes across so well.
peddlelies wrote: » [Using that term the first thing that comes to mind is Nazi concentration camps.
aloyisious wrote: » Ref Don tweeting about AOC & the other Dem congresswomen, I hope they take it carefully and don't fall for his bait. He's trying to provoke them into a public spat and distract from his failings and whatever may be uncovered during the current investigations into his acquaintances.
Manic Moran wrote: » She does, but there are two catches. One, as Biden, Pelosi and others have correctly observed, she does no favours to the party on the national level. She doubtlessly represents her constituents faithfully, honestly, and to the best of her abilities, but what passes for 'good' in New York City is not always going to match in the Mid-West: The attention she is getting is a point of serious concern as her policies are being conflated with the policies of the Democrat establishment as a whole. The Democrat coming across the news and facebook feeds of someone in, say, Kentucky, is more likely to be AOC than Amy McGrath, but McGrath is far closer to the sort of person who a Kentucky voter will vote for. Although Trump is very much embarrassing himself with this latest batch of tweets, it does have the effect of, again, putting folks like AOC and Omar in front of the more rural mid-western voters, not the people that the Democrats want them to be focusing on. Second, she's letting her inexperience show, or at least her enthusiasm get the better of it. I can't recall the last time Pelosi put her foot in her mouth in the same manner as AOC saying that NYC would be able to use the billions of tax cuts from Amazon on something else, and she didn't come out great in exchange against former ICE director Tom Homan this week either: She asked questions which had obvious responses she should have anticipated. (That hearing seems to have been something of a crap-show, honestly. Did you catch the full exchange between Homan and Garcia?) It seems that the Republican counterpart to AOC, in terms of social media savvy and publicity, is co-freshman Dan Crenshaw. He's not getting much time on the news, presumably because Trump's not attacking him, but he is quite prolific with the tweets, live-streams and youtube videos, he's crossing my feed a lot recently. He's the most-followed Republican on Twitter.
FartyBlartFast wrote: » Thats probably because as per Nazi concentration camp survivors, these children are being thrown into concentration camps.
peddlelies wrote: » Jesus and pretend to act surprised all you want about it.
ChikiChiki wrote: » A bold prediction but I would put money on her being America's first female president.
Manic Moran wrote: » Headshot wrote: » AOC is a very impressive woman, she didnt have to read any notes but yet was very clear and precise. She seems to always comes across so well. She does, but there are two catches. One, as Biden, Pelosi and others have correctly observed, she does no favours to the party on the national level. She doubtlessly represents her constituents faithfully, honestly, and to the best of her abilities, but what passes for 'good' in New York City is not always going to match in the Mid-West: The attention she is getting is a point of serious concern as her policies are being conflated with the policies of the Democrat establishment as a whole. The Democrat coming across the news and facebook feeds of someone in, say, Kentucky, is more likely to be AOC than Amy McGrath, but McGrath is far closer to the sort of person who a Kentucky voter will vote for. Although Trump is very much embarrassing himself with this latest batch of tweets, it does have the effect of, again, putting folks like AOC and Omar in front of the more rural mid-western voters, not the people that the Democrats want them to be focusing on. Second, she's letting her inexperience show, or at least her enthusiasm get the better of it. I can't recall the last time Pelosi put her foot in her mouth in the same manner as AOC saying that NYC would be able to use the billions of tax cuts from Amazon on something else, and she didn't come out great in exchange against former ICE director Tom Homan this week either: She asked questions which had obvious responses she should have anticipated. (That hearing seems to have been something of a crap-show, honestly. Did you catch the full exchange between Homan and Garcia?) It seems that the Republican counterpart to AOC, in terms of social media savvy and publicity, is co-freshman Dan Crenshaw. He's not getting much time on the news, presumably because Trump's not attacking him, but he is quite prolific with the tweets, live-streams and youtube videos, he's crossing my feed a lot recently. He's the most-followed Republican on Twitter. Here's his most recent video, on the NDAA. It hits the various social media bases fairly well. It's short, to the point, in plain english, and casually presented. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNiVX5ccbAw . I expect, much as AOC has managed to do to revitalise a lot of the youth vote in the Democrat side, folks like Crenshaw will be doing the same on the Republican side. The balance of power between the old guard (Pelosi/McConnel etc) and the new guard will change to the new generation, but it won't be for one side onlly.
peddlelies wrote: » FartyBlartFast wrote: » Thats probably because as per Nazi concentration camp survivors, these children are being thrown into concentration camps. That sentence/logic doesn't make any sense. Believe what you want, you're not going to change my opinion on the matter.
