downcow wrote: » I didn’t want to do this but due to some posters interest here you are. Hope this works. Never added a photo before
lawred2 wrote: » It's all a bit sad really
Johnny Dogs wrote: » Popped up on my Facebook news feed the other day posted by a friend of mine, a Lurgan man, who has fcuked off to Dingle for a few days to avoid the hate fest up there. I know it's a few years ago, but this was the bonfire in the Doonbeg housing estate back in 2013. It was barely a full month after a priest in the area (Matt Wallace) committed suicide by hanging. This is the culture that they demand be respected. Nothing only hate filled supremacism, racist and bigotry. Loyalists thrive on hate, burning flags and emblems, effigies of political and religious people, homosexuals and people of a different race or nationality. Loyalists keep celebrating events of the past. Nationallists look to the future. The whole hatefest should be outlawed, or at the very least heavily contained and regulated. Start with the bonfires, do it under environmental laws, and work down from there.
downcow wrote: » Do you also need evidence that the idea that tricolours are not allowed at st Patrick’s parade is nonsense or could some of you fairminded nationalists put are friend straight on the matter
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » Looking at pictures from the last few parades. Not one tricolour in the parade itself anywhere. Here’s a few thousand spectators at city hall and.....maybe two flags
downcow wrote: » It was photos with tricolours we were looking for. Not ones without 😂. Let’s be honest with each other and we might learn something
Dytalus wrote: » OH BOY. I recognise that picture. It's from this article, where it was burned in protest of some unionists who were protesting a St. Patrick's Day parade. For context. I mean, yeah, it's revolting. I don't agree with unionists protesting St. Patrick's day but by all evidence they were doing so peacefully and well within their rights to do so. At least at first, once the nationalists started getting aggressive (culminating in the flag burning), the unionists responded in kind - which tends to happen with protests and counter-protests sadly. Funnily enough, downcow, I also found that picture/article because I was looking to compare the prevalence of Union Jack burning at Paddy's day parades vs what goes on on the 12th. And it was the only one I could find. If there are others I'd like to see them because as it stands the list I showed you last time this topic came up remains incredibly lopsided.
Stop moaning ffs wrote: » There’s no bonfires with union jacks on them. Anywhere. Strange that.
citytillidie wrote: » Organisers of St Patrick's Day parades in the North do not include Tri colours more shamrock flags or St Patrick's saltare as part of the parade, they can't stop those coming to watch bring Tri colours it's not hard to understand.
downcow wrote: » Don’t be blaming the young people. While posters on here casually refer to their neighbours flag as the butchers apron then why would the not burn it at st Patrick’s parades and on their bonfires.
downcow wrote: » I find this thread a pretty depressing read. It is so far away from reality I just don't know if there is any point in trying to educate.I would love to know in a few sentences or bullet points what you think happens at a twelfth parade. If you do that then i will respond honestly and openly. We need to stop this hate and misunderstanding of a whole community
cgcsb wrote: » Like again we have the extreme what-aboutary Loyalists engage in intimidation, flag waving, kerb painting, flag burning, marching etc. on an industrial scale, thoroughly ignored by police. A handful of nationalists do similar things in far fewer numbers on a much smaller scale and are harassed by police for same. And for some reason these two are compared.
downcow wrote: » francie it is ironic you quote such a way out website. You recently slated me for comparing certain aspects of the OO to the RC church and yet the website you link does just this e.g. "....the Orange Order and the Roman Catholic Church were equally responsible for stirring up religious strife and bigotry and both presented a false Christ" & "certain objectionable rituals are common to the Black, Jesuits, Mormons, Templers, Freemasons, Knights of Malta and others." and of course i could go on and on. and i could post endless websites that present irish culture etc in a very bad light but that is just petty whataboutery and not representative of these organisations and communities as a whole.
Jimmy Garlic wrote: » A lot of protestants don't even bother with the 12th. A million odd protestants. How many of them turned out for the marches compared to thirty years ago? Less than half the number I would say. I worked with a Baptist, the entire congregation of his church had nothing to do with it, or the OO. Protestants increasingly running away from the OO like the plague, ditching it. Same happened in the American South with the KKK.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Membership of the OO has more than halved since the late sixties. It's membership age profile would not suggest that trend is going to alter much in the coming years.
FrancieBrady wrote: » What is your point here? I would have as many criticisms of the RC. And I do criticise it here on Boards, all the time. However the RC Church is a religion, the OO is a Protestant Political Organisation. Totally different things.
downcow wrote: That’s a very strange response to my question. But in response to you. This year approx 250,000 out of about 700,000 unionist attended the twelfth. Can you identify and celebration anywhere in the world where a higher percentage of the population will attend ie more than 1 in 3?
downcow wrote: » I would say the way it operates. The pomp, ceremony, discipline etc run by old men is alien to young people and youth culture. Hence the numbers are falling (although recently stabilised temporary) and young people are flocking to the loyalist bands in huge numbers. The big flute bands have extensive waiting lists to join and new bands are being formed. If I was in the OO I would see that as the greatest challenge to the organisation ie to reform us structure etc. I won’t hold my breath but I guess it will happen slowly
FrancieBrady wrote: » It is time for Unionists crying 'but it's our culture' to take an unblinkered look at the south. A hard and honest look. There they will see a 'culturally intact society' that has removed the toxic, archaic and restrictive influence of religious suprematism and control. There is nothing to be afraid of, if you do this. And look around you, the fall in numbers willing to subscribe to organisations like the OO, shows you it is underway anyway. Look at David Trimble, has he diminished as a person because he has modernised his outlook and thrown off the dogmatic religious shackles?https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/trimble-says-daughter-s-same-sex-marriage-forced-him-to-change-view-1.3956543
endainoz wrote: » 'hey look at all the people that showed up, we are definitely not in decline!' Sounds a bit like Donald's inauguration.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I would say, that common to modern society, people are just NOT going to be controlled in that way anymore downcow. In that respect northern Ireland Unionism is way way behind every other modern society on these islands. But as Trimble shows, it will get there, one way or another. Embrace the change or get left behind with falling numbers.
