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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI

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marno21

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

So when the US savages the UK in trade negotiations Nigel will be the ambassador?
Can’t see him being stupid enough to take that job to be honest

He'll have his money in the bank and he won't care. He doesn't stand to lose much having never been elected to the House of Commons and he's trying his hardest to get his P45 from the European Parliament.

duploelabs

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

So when the US savages the UK in trade negotiations Nigel will be the ambassador?
Can’t see him being stupid enough to take that job to be honest

The NHS will be first on the plate for the private US medical companies to savage and Nigel, without a doubt or second thought, will pat the tasty kickback nestled in his pocket

duploelabs

Definitely not a Racist

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-rashida-tlaib-pelosi-migrant-centres-a9004246.html

pixelburp

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

So when the US savages the UK in trade negotiations Nigel will be the ambassador?
Can’t see him being stupid enough to take that job to be honest

The only truth to be gleaned from the twin absurdities of Brexit and the Trump administration, is that the key wealthy players will walk into the sunset even wealthier men, as they leave their smouldering legacies behind them. Farage, Rees-Mogg and Trump will not die in poverty. The greatest con all three men pulled was convincing the disenfranchised and destitute that they were on the side of those people, and the political actions would enrich their lives.

Leroy42

Jebus. Telling people that look different than you to go back where they came from!

But some will be on here telling us what it actually meant, that it needs to be taken in context or if all that fails that HC once had an Indian housekeeper.

First off, Trump is as usual completely wrong. But that is no longer even a surprise.

everlast75

duploelabs wrote: »

Definitely not a Racist

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-rashida-tlaib-pelosi-migrant-centres-a9004246.html

Can we make that a sticky so that we don't have to endure the periodic argument as to whether Trump is racist or not?

PropJoe10

https://www.joe.ie/news/trump-claims-children-detention-centers-usmexico-border-getting-great-reviews-675316?fbclid=IwAR0cY5Y7aUSnd7siBizYHakPp41sYj_FlE-lB0vd-xJt2wybgLVRCSX6TsE

Absolutely despicable comments from the US President.

Itssoeasy

PropJoe10 wrote: »

https://www.joe.ie/news/trump-claims-children-detention-centers-usmexico-border-getting-great-reviews-675316?fbclid=IwAR0cY5Y7aUSnd7siBizYHakPp41sYj_FlE-lB0vd-xJt2wybgLVRCSX6TsE

Absolutely despicable comments from the US President.

"Great reviews" trump sees everything through ratings.

TomOnBoard

PropJoe10 wrote: »

https://www.joe.ie/news/trump-claims-children-detention-centers-usmexico-border-getting-great-reviews-675316?fbclid=IwAR0cY5Y7aUSnd7siBizYHakPp41sYj_FlE-lB0vd-xJt2wybgLVRCSX6TsE

Absolutely despicable comments from the US President.

The trouble is that it's become impossible to place the despicableness of these comments in order of despicableness compared to all the other despicable comments he has made. We get to a point where we think WTF! Now, this is the absolute worst. And then... it isn't ! The worst thing he says is beaten by an even worse thing almost immediately. And yet, his Base seems to think nothing of the unrelenting coarsening of politics and society that is taking place. And we know that an even worse thing will be trotted out and defended tomorrow and the next day.....

relax carry on

Just can't understand how anyone still supporting him can disassociate his countless faults and failings from whatever "successes" they can convince themselves belong to him. He's an utter stain on humanity and should be treated as such not praised for the chaos he brings to everything he touches.

pixelburp

Well, to be fair the linked articles (from clickbait provider joe.ie??) Didn't come with any context so i presumed it was a duplicate of his xenophobic ignorance towards the Dem Congresswomen, thus we've already hit the "less than 24 hours between awfulness" period with this President.

The man's a thundering disgrace as a holder of public office. I say it every time, but it's no wonder those who soapbox on this thread stick to economic puffery, because Trump himself is a pox.

duploelabs

everlast75 wrote: »

Can we make that a sticky so that we don't have to endure the periodic argument as to whether Trump is racist or not?

He's just got tired of the nuance of dogwhistles and gone full bore, but I'm sure some of his defenders will say that he's only joking or it's been taken out of context

pixelburp

duploelabs wrote: »

He's just got tired of the nuance of dogwhistles and gone full bore, but I'm sure some of his defenders will say that he's only joking or it's been taken out of context

1. He was only joking! Typical stuffy liberals.
2. What he really meant was this hyper nuanced point. Typical stuff liberals.
3. AOC is awful, a crazy millennial, she stopped Amazon bringing wealth to NY. She was a barmaid! Typical stuff liberals.

Those would be my 3 goto presumptions for any response by those who'd twist his words.

pixelburp

Not to be smug, but I was right: looks like according to the deputy director of communications at the Trump campaign, it was number 2 in the hitlist of Trump surrogate sound-bites. In our rush to offence we missed the usual 4D chess really meant by the President of the United States.

https://www.twitter.com/MattWolking/status/1150416769225494528

MrFresh

He reckons if half the things he hears about Omar are true she should not be in office. If 10%, or less probably, of the things about him are true he should not be in office.

everlast75

https://twitter.com/GeorgeLakoff/status/833498095153344512?s=19

Nice short analysis of Trump tweets...

Harry Palmr

Trump making American Great White Again.

Leroy42

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Trump making American Great White Again.

That is what is was always about. And Male.

All of the other excuses (HC is X, insert whatever you wish) have been wiped away leaving only this to hang any support onto.

alchemist33

This is all the more ironic given that some of the congresswomen are more American than half-Scottish Trump, and a lot more American than his wife. But then it's not really their nationality that's the issue with him, is it? It's their skin colour that sets them apart

pixelburp

Not just skin colour: Omar is a Muslim who happily wears a (honestly, rather stylish) headdress, comfortable in her religion; to the ravenous maw that is the Islamiphobic wing of the Reps. - and let's be honest here, a large slice of the Dems too - she's probably second to AOC for irrational hatred; the Democrats practically lynched her when she publicly admonished the party for being in bed with foreign interests, a thinly veiled criticism toward the US cosying up to the Israeli gvt and. Screams of anti-Semitism followed from all sides and just fed the narrative of this Muslim black/Somali woman becoming "othered."

Honestly, at the rate this is going, an assassination attempt feels ... close. America has a grubby history of attacks on its leaders and if this racist, othering rhetoric continues, it's depressingly easy to imagine an attempt on someone's life.

peddlelies

Omar gets ripped because she has said and tweeted things which portray her as an anti-Semite which she obviously is. Pelosi forced her to apoligize for tweets she made. This is what she said at the time, “Congresswoman Omar’s use of anti-Semitic tropes and prejudicial accusations about Israel’s supporters is deeply offensive”.

Things are heating up with the latest ICE raids.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/14/man-dies-as-police-shootout-follows-firebomb-attack-on-immigration-centre

"A 69-year-old man armed with a rifle threw incendiary devices at an immigration jail in Washington state early on Saturday morning, then was found dead after four police officers arrived and opened fire, authorities said.

A friend of the dead man said she thought he wanted to provoke a fatal conflict, the Seattle Times reported, and described him as an anarchist and anti-fascist."

Carry

peddlelies wrote: »

Omar gets ripped because she has said and tweeted things which portray her as an anti-Semite which she obviously is. Pelosi forced her to apoligize for tweets she made. This is what she said at the time, “Congresswoman Omar’s use of anti-Semitic tropes and prejudicial accusations about Israel’s supporters is deeply offensive”.

Things are heating up with the latest ICE raids.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/14/man-dies-as-police-shootout-follows-firebomb-attack-on-immigration-centre

"A 69-year-old man armed with a rifle threw incendiary devices at an immigration jail in Washington state early on Saturday morning, then was found dead after four police officers arrived and opened fire, authorities said.

A friend of the dead man said she thought he wanted to provoke a fatal conflict, the Seattle Times reported, and described him as an anarchist and anti-fascist."

I don't know Omar's tweets or anyone's tweets, unless they are quoted or linked here (would you please, in this case?), and I don't know what counts as anti-semitic nowadays. Just critisising the politics of the state of Israel? Or that infamous image of the Trump team with Clinton and Stars of David around?

Anyway, the predicted distraction posts commence....

Or do you have anything to say about why Trump is "ripping" non-white, non-evangelist, non-submissive women?

TomOnBoard

peddlelies wrote: »

Omar gets ripped because she has said and tweeted things which portray her as an anti-Semite which she obviously is. Pelosi forced her to apoligize for tweets she made.

There you were making a reasonably sensible contribution and then you couldn't help yourself and had to add "which she obviously is".

Ilhan is a Muslim and is very pro- Palestinian. That positions her as entirely against the manner in which US foreign policy favour Israel in its treatment of Palestine which she has unashamedly blamed on powerful Jewish lobbying efforts in Washington. So when she calls out that naked lobbying by the pro- Israel factions, she is blamed for using so- called anti-Semitic tropes and her fundamental arguments around the treatment of Palestine by the USA gets shouted down in the deflection and PR that the pro- Israel forces can command.

By contrast, the anti-Islamic rhetoric and policies that have been practiced since day 1 by Trump and his Administration has been horrendous and no-one seems to care about how that might affect her.

Water John

The woman who cleaned Trump's house, ironed his shirt and even mended his socks was a south American undocumented woman.
The man is a total fraud.

hill16bhoy

peddlelies wrote: »

Omar gets ripped because she has said and tweeted things which portray her as an anti-Semite which she obviously is.

She isn't

Trump most definitely is though and the Republican party has a massive problem with anti-Semitism

"A 69-year-old man armed with a rifle threw incendiary devices at an immigration jail in Washington state early on Saturday morning, then was found dead after four police officers arrived and opened fire, authorities said.

It seems he didn't do that at all, but set fire to empty buses which were to remove those rounded up by ICE

I'd call that heroism

Manic Moran

hill16bhoy wrote: »

She isn't

Trump most definitely is though and the Republican party has a massive problem with anti-Semitism

It seems he didn't do that at all, but set fire to empty buses which were to remove those rounded up by ICE

I'd call that heroism

Some might say the same about those who firebomb abortion clinics after hours when nobody is in.

Most people would call both acts "arson" and "criminal"

Especially given I'm not seeing 'buses' listed here:
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/tacoma-police-armed-man-throwing-incendiary-devices-shot-outside-ice-detention-center/

Police said Van Spronsen tossed lit objects at vehicles and buildings, causing one car fire, and unsuccessfully tried to ignite a propane tank.

The bus story comes from a group he was associated with, further down the article.
However, the group believes, based on information provided to them, that Van Spronsen was targeting the detention center’s parking lot, which includes a fleet of buses that transports immigrants to the Yakima airport, where they are deported.

So, the group who wasn't there said what they believed his intent would be, and the police are saying what he actually did.

Cody montana

peddlelies wrote: »

Omar gets ripped because she has said and tweeted things which portray her as an anti-Semite which she obviously is. Pelosi forced her to apoligize for tweets she made. This is what she said at the time, “Congresswoman Omar’s use of anti-Semitic tropes and prejudicial accusations about Israel’s supporters is deeply offensive”.

Things are heating up with the latest ICE raids.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/14/man-dies-as-police-shootout-follows-firebomb-attack-on-immigration-centre

"A 69-year-old man armed with a rifle threw incendiary devices at an immigration jail in Washington state early on Saturday morning, then was found dead after four police officers arrived and opened fire, authorities said.

A friend of the dead man said she thought he wanted to provoke a fatal conflict, the Seattle Times reported, and described him as an anarchist and anti-fascist."

People chanting “Jews will not replace us” are “Very fine people” according to trump.

What’s your opinion on this?

RIGOLO

Many years ago the Democrats came to a fork in the road , well more of a junction with 3 paths available.

1 path was the path of stasis, no change.
2nd path was the path of American Patriotism.
3rd path was the path of anti-America embrace for all things non-American and dengiration of America itself.

They choose the 3rd path, they choose the path of denigration of America and all things American from the flag, the anthem thru to its economic foundations.

This was a genius political move by Trump, especially in a week when 'The Squad (Omar,AOC,PResseley, Tlaib' attacks Pelosi and then the DNC and Pelosi attack 'The Squad' and later TRump defends Pelosi on that issue.

TRump then goes on to drop a MOAB into their midst with his latest tweets .

TRump has united the Democratic Party on that 3rd path and forced them to unite behind Illhan Omar and AOC. Trump has put Ilhan and AOC at the vanguard of the Democratic Party.
There go many of the swing voters who whilst currently undecided would never vote for a Democratic Party being orchestrated by people who despise America.

TRump has just made 2 of the most radical and polarising Dems, the face of the Democratic Party.
Its a long term strategy like many Trump Administration strategies and will feed into a 2020 win for DT

everlast75

RIGOLO wrote: »

Many years ago the Democrats came to a fork in the road , well more of a junction with 3 paths available.

1 path was the path of stasis, no change.
2nd path was the path of American Patriotism.
3rd path was the path of anti-America embrace for all things non-American and dengiration of America itself.

They choose the 3rd path, they choose the path of denigration of America and all things American from the flag, the anthem thru to its economic foundations.

This was a genius political move by Trump, especially in a week when 'The Squad (Omar,AOC,PResseley, Tlaib' attacks Pelosi and then the DNC and Pelosi attack 'The Squad' and later TRump defends Pelosi on that issue.

TRump then goes on to drop a MOAB into their midst with his latest tweets .

TRump has united the Democratic Party on that 3rd path and forced them to unite behind Illhan Omar and AOC. Trump has put Ilhan and AOC at the vanguard of the Democratic Party.
There go many of the swing voters who whilst currently undecided would never vote for a Democratic Party being orchestrated by people who despise America.

TRump has just made 2 of the most radical and polarising Dems, the face of the Democratic Party.
Its a long term strategy like many Trump Administration strategies and will feed into a 2020 win for DT

Laughable stuff as usual.

Racism is a strategy now?

Ffs, when will this utter nonsense end.

RIGOLO

hill16bhoy wrote: »

She isn't

Trump most definitely is though and the Republican party has a massive problem with anti-Semitism

It seems he didn't do that at all, but set fire to empty buses which were to remove those rounded up by ICE

I'd call that heroism

Free country , you call burning of an empty bus to pick up illegal aliens heroism.

I call arresting 50 illegal aliens, some wanted for murder , responsible for a major heroin drug trafficking ring in Massachussettes and with enough Fentanyl to kill half the population of that state, I call that HEROISM.

This is an example of what those buses are sometimes used for , the transportation of illegal aliens who may have commited serious crimes and destroyed the fabric of the community.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2018/12/06/ice/

Boston-based Immigration and Customs Enforcement teams joined others from all over New England in a continuation of this fall’s Operation Law and Order. The earlier sweep netted 50 suspected illegal immigrant drug dealers and resulted in the seizure of enough fentanyl to “kill half the state,” one top official said at the time.