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Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

Hulk Hands

The comparison was silly. Walsh could be argued as the worst of those three and Mayo sacrificed their best player on Saturday to follow him everywhere. If Walsh jumped into the first row of concrete benches around the edge, Keegan would've hopped in beside him. Hardly conductive to getting easy space and ball

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The high horse brigade

What colour do we wear today?

Bunny Colvin

Best of luck to the boys today. A huge game for us.

Ply on the sunscreen lads, some heat out of it already.

Audioslaven

seligehgit wrote: »

Safe journey to all.

I'm very hopeful the lads can get over the line today.

A win today with a solid display in the defence would be ideal. It would set us up in the group and if we have ruane and doc on the come back trail for the last game against Donegal. Another win in the group should see us through and meet the dubs in the semi would be ideal.

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ArielAtom wrote: »

I think Mayo will have to much for this Kerry side. A friend of mine had lunch with a former Kerry manager who stated that Kerry were producing the finest of footballers, but that they were to small. He said they couldn't compete physically with any of the top teams. We shall see.

While that is true that Mayo will likely dominate the game physically, Kerry (in the shape of their forwards) have the ability to create chances and score from very limited service.

Mayo need to hold Kerry at bay for 50 mins of so and rachet it up in the last quarter.

It's going to be very hot out there, hopefully Mayo's three busy weeks will not come back to haunt them.

ArielAtom

I think Mayo will have to much for this Kerry side. A friend of mine had lunch with a former Kerry manager who stated that Kerry were producing the finest of footballers, but that they were to small. He said they couldn't compete physically with any of the top teams. We shall see.

seligehgit

Safe journey to all.

I'm very hopeful the lads can get over the line today.

seligehgit

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Gooch took plenty of frees in his time, not as many as O'Connor but he still took his share. Another angle on that would be that he wasnt good enough at them to take more of them (jumps for cover!)

Not that i think he is better tham the gooch, I just want to highlight how these things can be viewed several ways...
Bottom line for me, that is truely unbelievable scoring from o'connor, and it will be so whether he wins an AI or not.

The Gooch for many years took frees for the Kingdom.

The whole universe does indeed know what Cillian's preference would be if given the option of a Celtic cross medal versus a very commendable achievement.

It's a bit unfair on Cillian as recognition of this achievement will always be framed around a comparison with one of the greatest ever gaelic footballers,an argument he will never win.

Carol25

Best of luck to the Mayo team today, and hope all supporters at the game enjoy it. Will be tuning in from abroad and really hope they come out on top today. I’ve a feeling Kerry are rearing to go for this one, especially after the league final defeat. We have the better team overall but are stretched with injuries. Fingers crossed!

RedDevil55

conor05 wrote: »

Well I will make it even blacker and whiter for you. Cillian O Connor has no Senior All Ireland medals and Gooch has a few.

Ask Cillian would he prefer an All Ireland medal or an all time scoring feat and come back to us with his answer.

Good chap.

A great straw man argument right there. Everyone knows which he would prefer. Doesn't mean he's not a top quality player.

conor05

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Powerhouse wrote: »

True, but it's like asking someone if they'd take a World Record or an Olympic Gold medal. One of them lasts forever.

I hate making that observation as it sounds like I am trying to diminish the players and his achievement which I am certainly not but it's the kind of record that most people only give fleeting thoughts to in the GAA world.

Well, usain bolt is more rememebered for his unbelievable wr times than any particular medal he won... I know what you are saying but im not sure it is as black and white as that...

Well I will make it even blacker and whiter for you. Cillian O Connor has no Senior All Ireland medals and Gooch has a few.

Ask Cillian would he prefer an All Ireland medal or an all time scoring feat and come back to us with his answer.

Good chap.

MayoAreMagic

lab man wrote: »

gooch wasn't a free taker, in all fairness, clareman here best of luck tmrw I'd love to see Keegan getting an ai medal he deserves one

Gooch took plenty of frees in his time, not as many as O'Connor but he still took his share. Another angle on that would be that he wasnt good enough at them to take more of them (jumps for cover!)

Not that i think he is better tham the gooch, I just want to highlight how these things can be viewed several ways...
Bottom line for me, that is truely unbelievable scoring from o'connor, and it will be so whether he wins an AI or not.

BandMember

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Well my point was more that people remember bolts record rather than bolts medals, so therefore indicating that it isnt all about medals over records.

Re johnson and lewis - again their records are remembered more than the medals they won where they didnt break a record. Indeed they are both more memorable than a gold medal winner who didnt break a record, are they not?

I know its not exactly the same, but I think it highlights the point that there are plenty guys out there with an all ireland medal that wouldnt have a hope in hell of reaching that kind of accolade...

That was my badly made point! People remember great players, regardless of the medals or records they achieved. People will remember Cillian, regardless of whether he wins a Celtic Cross or not. There's plenty of corner backs out there with multiple medals who are barely remembered outside their own parish, yet people will always remember the likes of (random list off the top of my head coming up) Ciarán McDonald, James Nallen, Willie Joe, David Heaney, Declan Browne, Emlyn Mulligan, Mattie Forde, Niall McNamee, Michael Meehan etc. etc. etc.

lab man

gooch wasn't a free taker, in all fairness, clareman here best of luck tmrw I'd love to see Keegan getting an ai medal he deserves one

MayoAreMagic

BandMember wrote: »

As are Michael Johnson and Carl Lewis before him....

Well my point was more that people remember bolts record rather than bolts medals, so therefore indicating that it isnt all about medals over records.

Re johnson and lewis - again their records are remembered more than the medals they won where they didnt break a record. Indeed they are both more memorable than a gold medal winner who didnt break a record, are they not?

I know its not exactly the same, but I think it highlights the point that there are plenty guys out there with an all ireland medal that wouldnt have a hope in hell of reaching that kind of accolade...

BandMember

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Well, usain bolt is more rememebered for his unbelievable wr times than any particular medal he won... I know what you are saying but im not sure it is as black and white as that...

As are Michael Johnson and Carl Lewis before him....

MayoAreMagic

Powerhouse wrote: »

True, but it's like asking someone if they'd take a World Record or an Olympic Gold medal. One of them lasts forever.

I hate making that observation as it sounds like I am trying to diminish the players and his achievement which I am certainly not but it's the kind of record that most people only give fleeting thoughts to in the GAA world.

Well, usain bolt is more rememebered for his unbelievable wr times than any particular medal he won... I know what you are saying but im not sure it is as black and white as that...

Powerhouse

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Ironic though that there are in fact literally a couple of thousand all ireland medal holders out there, but only 1 all time top scorer...

True, but it's like asking someone if they'd take a World Record or an Olympic Gold medal. One of them lasts forever.

I hate making that observation as it sounds like I am trying to diminish the players and his achievement which I am certainly not but it's the kind of record that most people only give fleeting thoughts to in the GAA world.

MayoAreMagic

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Where is he getting this flack ?

I live in Kerry and not heard boo about it one way or another.

The sickly world of social media. Admittedly from some of those dub trolls who patrol the thing night and day, and a few sour galway heads - but I just thought it was a kinda funny point to make to say well he hasnt won an all ireland, when all ireland medals are in fact far more common than the all time top scorer accolade...

Call me Al

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

O'Connor seems to be getting a fair bit of flak for having the cheek to overtake the gooch as the all time top scorer in gaelic football. The inevitable comparisons with gooch as a player are made, followed by the predictable 'he doesnt have gooches all irelands' type stuff.

Ironic though that there are in fact literally a couple of thousand all ireland medal holders out there, but only 1 all time top scorer...

It's like throwing fuel.on the fire for Cillian o'connor :-) He will be raring to go.

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MayoAreMagic wrote: »

O'Connor seems to be getting a fair bit of flak for having the cheek to overtake the gooch as the all time top scorer in gaelic football. The inevitable comparisons with gooch as a player are made, followed by the predictable 'he doesnt have gooches all irelands' type stuff.

Ironic though that there are in fact literally a couple of thousand all ireland medal holders out there, but only 1 all time top scorer...

Where is he getting this flack ?

I live in Kerry and not heard boo about it one way or another.

MayoAreMagic

O'Connor seems to be getting a fair bit of flak for having the cheek to overtake the gooch as the all time top scorer in gaelic football. The inevitable comparisons with gooch as a player are made, followed by the predictable 'he doesnt have gooches all irelands' type stuff.

Ironic though that there are in fact literally a couple of thousand all ireland medal holders out there, but only 1 all time top scorer...

CatInABox

Good luck tomorrow lads, as far as I'm concerned, you can't beat Kerry enough.

Barlett

Let’s bloody well do this!!! C’mon MAYO!!!

mayo.mick

https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1150138949500919809

Euphoriasean

For once there may be no changes to the starting 15. Lee being back kinda softens the blow with Paddy.

Blackjack

seligehgit wrote: »

1. David Clarke
2. Chris Barrett
3. Brendan Harrison
4. Keith Higgins
5. Lee Keegan
6. Colm Boyle
7. Stephen Coen
8. Donal Vaughan
9. Aidan O Shea
10. Fionn McDonagh
11. Kevin McLoughlin
12. Jason Doherty
13. Cillian O'Connor
14. Darren Coen
15. James Carr

Same as the one named by the CT yesterday I believe

seligehgit

1. David Clarke
2. Chris Barrett
3. Brendan Harrison
4. Keith Higgins
5. Lee Keegan
6. Colm Boyle
7. Stephen Coen
8. Donal Vaughan
9. Aidan O Shea
10. Fionn McDonagh
11. Kevin McLoughlin
12. Jason Doherty
13. Cillian O'Connor
14. Darren Coen
15. James Carr

BandMember

Team finally officially announced: https://mayogaa.com/news-detail/10053342/

PressRun

Still no sign of an official team announcement?

charlie14

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Why?
We went short against galway and it worked well. We went long against armagh and we had to switch to short.
Kerry play sherwood as a sweeper, which means a free man, which means short kickouts. Also geaney and clifford arent going to kill themselves tackling fellas.

Re hennelly and his famed kickouts, they cost us the game against roscommon, so i dont see how his kickouts are better tbh. The long ones have a better trajectory, but we are short several starting midfielders so our fetching options are limited anyway. Its clarke all ends up for me...

I`m not saying that Hennelly should be considered as part of a Mayo plan to go long. What I am saying is that he should be considered because Kerry most likely imo will force Mayo to go long.

If Kerry are planning on going down that road they will not be leaving a free man available for short kick outs by withdrawing Sherwood to play sweeper, but will be looking to intercept them, or be on the Mayo receiver immediately with the speed their forwards possess for turnovers.