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The glorious 12th

realdanbreen

I see where there is a gigantic pile of pallets stacked up in an estate in Portadown which the fire service regard as a 'serious health and safety risk'. Apparently 30+ firms have been approached to remove/dismantle it but nobody will touch it. One things for certain if that was some years ago in a nationalist area the British army would be steaming in like a flash to dismantle it and anything else that was in its way.

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Weird culture it is.

citytillidie

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Am I right in saying the nationalist side have a big event in a few weeks for a weekend

Féile an Phobail instead of an official bonfire will be in West Belfast

citytillidie

_blaaz wrote: »

Perhaps you could.outline what this rant has to do with your AMA on orange culture/july 12th experiences?

Can’t answer anything unless they can fire it back on republicans for some whataboutary

Beechwoodspark

Am I right in saying the nationalist side have a big event in a few weeks for a weekend

armaghlad

munsterlegend wrote: »

No funnily enough. Have no idea what they are playing to be honest. No one spat at by a band member either yet.

They play the tunes, the supporters sing the lyrics. Saw a few renditions of the billy boys, famine song, simply the best etc on social media. Family day out indeed lol

munsterlegend

armaghlad wrote: »

I take it they didn’t cover any of the bands playing their sectarian songs? They never really like to cover that aspect of proceedings for some reason..

No funnily enough. Have no idea what they are playing to be honest. No one spat at by a band member either yet.

Feel sorry for the kids being indoctrinated into this crap. At least they have the internet now to find out things for themselves.

citytillidie

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You are getting at the nub of what still has to happen in northern Ireland NIMAN.

I think that female police officer talked herself into a corner yesterday, it will be interesting to see if there are any repercussions with her 'We don't have the power' remarks. Because I think they would have plenty of 'powers' if they genuinely wanted to use them

Shall see what happens next month as the hoods from the bogside try to build that bonfire

Beechwoodspark

armaghlad wrote: »

I take it they didn’t cover any of the bands playing their sectarian songs? They never really like to cover that aspect of proceedings for some reason..

All the songs are ultra sectarian

armaghlad

munsterlegend wrote: »

Turned on for a few minutes. Everyone programmed to say ‘this is a family day out’.

I take it they didn’t cover any of the bands playing their sectarian songs? They never really like to cover that aspect of proceedings for some reason..

armaghlad

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Im disgusted with the bonfires

Don’t mind the marching but the co2 released by the bonfires is unreal

There is a bonfire in Belfast quite close to the Westlink coming into the city from the M1, passed it last night as it was burning and could feel the heat in the car!

Beechwoodspark

filbert the fox wrote: »

And the dioxins , the smoke particles, the rubber tyres emissions and whatever other stuff buried beneath?

Agree.

If it were in a green area they’d impose the full weight of their war machine to make sure bonfires weren’t lit.

Hypocritical backstaards.

filbert the fox

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Im disgusted with the bonfires

Don’t mind the marching but the co2 released by the bonfires is unreal

And the dioxins , the smoke particles, the rubber tyres emissions and whatever other stuff buried beneath?

munsterlegend

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Great, the highlights are on BBC NI at 10:40.

Turned on for a few minutes. Everyone programmed to say ‘this is a family day out’.

Beechwoodspark

Im disgusted with the bonfires

Don’t mind the marching but the co2 released by the bonfires is unreal

Mad_maxx

NIMAN wrote: »

A lot of unionists are very insular, and don't like folk moving into their areas.

There are many cases of immigrants homes being attacked.

Many folk in rural Ireland don't like people from two parishes over moving in, we are little different

Mad_maxx

cgcsb wrote: »

Well that's true but religious background has an influence on culture long after the population has turned to atheism.

Very true, despite being post religious secular states, no one could deny the obvious influence that Lutheranism has had on the nordic countries or Presbyterianism has had on new Zealand

FrancieBrady

Strumms wrote: »

True, but that didn’t happen overnight and I think one of the main catalysts for that as well as a more educated and enlightened Ireland was the churches reaction and covering up of child sex abuse scandals... that really made ‘believers’ and ‘non believers’ sit up, take note and form a more astute opinion of the organization and the very premise of religion and it’s negative impact and influences on society.

Well it happened within a few short years of my life Strumms. Ireland of today is totally different to Ireland in the 70's and 80's.

Once undermined as you correctly point out, (I personally think it started with Bishop Casey) things changed very quickly.

FrancieBrady

What the various apologists/ PRO's that have popped up on Boards.ie today proclaiming 'fun family days out' don't want to acknowledge or address...not to mention their political masters or the PSNI.

https://scontent.fdub4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/64408313_2621801447853354_2827955013425299456_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_oc=AQm0SMqOYR99ipQBdHgGJ3oNFgPDe3Pu30DVglgPfP-vAN3BhRAqVjlZBz1FxeXx5-c&_nc_ht=scontent.fdub4-1.fna&oh=68c7e6b9012a0839c9add9774e9bc899&oe=5DC18EDA

Atoms for Peace

Great, the highlights are on BBC NI at 10:40.

Strumms

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The RC church has all but zero power socially here in a few short years.

True, but that didn’t happen overnight and I think one of the main catalysts for that as well as a more educated and enlightened Ireland was the churches reaction and covering up of child sex abuse scandals... that really made ‘believers’ and ‘non believers’ sit up, take note and form a more astute opinion of the organization and the very premise of religion and it’s negative impact and influences on society.

FrancieBrady

cgcsb wrote: »

It depends on the particular belief. Were Irish Catholics ever into biblical literalism or anti gay sentiment, I don't think so, but try to talk about low key funerals or cremations to 90% of Irish Catholics, lapsed into atheism or not you'll get your head snapped off

In my experience (a committed atheist) I would say that is a generalistion. Cremation is more or less accepted as an option now.

My point is that once the tide turns, or the shackles come off, the power of a church dissipates very quickly. The RC church has all but zero power socially here in a few short years.

cgcsb

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Who would want to join and stand powerlessly by and watch the selective policing at this time of year?

A long way to go has the PSNI.

That too

munsterlegend

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/crime/irish-tricolour-is-hoisted-above-rural-orange-lodge-1-8997517

Talk about lads getting hysterical over nothing! A hate crime?! What planet do these people actually live in?!

FrancieBrady

cgcsb wrote: »

But the main reason Catholics aren't joining is because of poor pay and conditions and their better educational attainment allows them to get twice or three times the wages in working in Dublin.

Who would want to join and stand powerlessly by and watch the selective policing at this time of year?

A long way to go has the PSNI.

cgcsb

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Our own experience would show you that the tide, once it starts, turns very quickly indeed. Who would have thought 20 years ago that we would massively endorse SSM?

It depends on the particular belief. Were Irish Catholics ever into biblical literalism or anti gay sentiment, I don't think so, but try to talk about low key funerals or cremations to 90% of Irish Catholics, lapsed into atheism or not you'll get your head snapped off

votecounts

timthumbni wrote: »

What a snob. You should buy a property and then rant boringly on about it at a house party until it busts. Very Irish in the boom type.

Message for Irish republicans - Stop blowing the legs off Catholic Gaelic playing psni officers. That poor guy saying how none of his gaa club supported him after being blown up was heartbreaking but not surprising at all. And probably elements around him set him up too. Lovely altogether.

could you not burn a few tricolors as this is what your lot seem good at. what has your post got to do with the "family day of the 12th"

cgcsb

timthumbni wrote: »

What a snob. You should buy a property and then rant boringly on about it at a house party until it busts. Very Irish in the boom type.

Message for Irish republicans - Stop blowing the legs off Catholic Gaelic playing psni officers. That poor guy saying how none of his gaa club supported him after being blown up was heartbreaking but not surprising at all. And probably elements around him set him up too. Lovely altogether.

But the main reason Catholics aren't joining is because of poor pay and conditions and their better educational attainment allows them to get twice or three times the wages in working in Dublin.

FrancieBrady

cgcsb wrote: »

Well that's true but religious background has an influence on culture long after the population has turned to atheism.

Our own experience would show you that the tide, once it starts, turns very quickly indeed. Who would have thought 20 years ago that we would massively endorse SSM?

cgcsb

munsterlegend wrote: »

No future in most religions I would think. Definitely no future in the 21st century for most of unionist beliefs and rights to its citizens.

I don't mean that religious belief is in decline, the belief in pre destination means the future doesn't matter for them and this belief persists regardless of how religious the individuals are

FrancieBrady

_blaaz wrote: »

Perhaps you could.outline what this rant has to do with your AMA on orange culture/july 12th experiences?

Tim's job as PRO for the OO may be under review!