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The glorious 12th

realdanbreen

I see where there is a gigantic pile of pallets stacked up in an estate in Portadown which the fire service regard as a 'serious health and safety risk'. Apparently 30+ firms have been approached to remove/dismantle it but nobody will touch it. One things for certain if that was some years ago in a nationalist area the British army would be steaming in like a flash to dismantle it and anything else that was in its way.

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cgcsb

timthumbni wrote: »

Just home from a great parade. Big crowd, great weather (for NI anyway). Any genuine questions not from the usual republican circle jerk posters welcome. And they know who they are as do I.

Did you genuinely think that parade was fun? Or do you just feel culturally obligated to say that.

votecounts

To those of the Unionist persuasion, just 2 simple questions.

Do you think it is right to march in areas where you are simply not wanted?

Do you agree with burning our national flag on your bonfires?

cgcsb

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Can someone explain to me why they fly Union Jack, Nazi flag and Israel flag?
The first I can understand but I dont get the other 2 and as a whole - the combo of flags seems ludicrous.

They used to fly the South African flag also. Basically where there is apartheid and ethnic supremicism, they'll support it

Odhinn

Hoboo wrote: »

What's the ivory coast got to do with anything?

It vaguely resembles the irish flag, so they burn it by mistake a lot.

Hoboo

What's the ivory coast got to do with anything?

DrPhilG

timthumbni wrote: »

Just home from a great parade. Big crowd, great weather (for NI anyway). Any genuine questions not from the usual republican circle jerk posters welcome. And they know who they are as do I.

2 questions

1 - your thoughts on what I mentioned earlier. Why the Unionist obsession with Ulster despite the fact that 3 of 9 counties are in the Republic. Yes I know its generally taught in school (even that fact is shocking) but how/why do so many of the general public still not realise that they're being a bit thick?

2 - do you agree that the attitude by police and politicians in allowing or not condemning the bonfires stacked with Irish flags and KAT slogans is a disgrace?

Genuine questions by the way, I'm certainly not one of the of the circle jerkers you referred to!

timthumbni

retalivity wrote: »

Why do you need to burn flags can you not just, like, not have them? Or remove them?

Maybe misread your post. If you mean burning the Irish flag then I don’t agree either. The flags they burn are stolen from republican areas flying them or bought simply to burn. Stupid but not the end of the world.

I used to associate the Irish flag with the Ira as that is the only time I saw it on ira coffins. Now I know different in that it is my neighbours flag. I have one myself in the house and not to burn before any smart arse comes I worth that.

timthumbni

retalivity wrote: »

Why do you need to burn flags can you not just, like, not have them? Or remove them?

Figure of speech. Hard to burn flags now anyway. Pesky flame retardant covering. No problem trying with a nazi flag though.

retalivity

timthumbni wrote: »

Nothing more, nor nothing less. The parade I attended today lowered their banners as they passed the war cenotaph in respect. Nazi scumbag flags are certainly not something I’ve come across personally in NI and should be burned imo. That’s the only light on that one as I’m not sure where that was from.

Why do you need to burn flags can you not just, like, not have them? Or remove them?

timthumbni

Omackeral wrote: »

Just if you could answer or give a guess to why a Swastika is flown along side the Union flag? We get the Israel one, could you shed light or offer a theory on the Nazi one?

I saw that picture earlier. Was that from a few years ago? I seem to remember something like that a few years back and it was quickly removed. You have to remember that any dick can put a flag on a lamppost. Whoever did that was obviously a scumbag.

Nothing more, nor nothing less. The parade I attended today lowered their banners as they passed the war cenotaph in respect. Nazi scumbag flags are certainly not something I’ve come across personally in NI and should be burned imo. That’s the only light on that one as I’m not sure where that was from.

Odhinn

retalivity wrote: »

Do they still have that silly mascot to make it a 'fun filled family day'? Super orange tom or whatevrr he is called?

I think they had to get rid of it as it was copied from somebody elses work.

timthumbni

JupiterKid wrote: »

As someone from a Northern family (Belfast born) who moved to Dublin in 1976 (when I was 1 year old) to escape the darkest days of the Troubles and of a Catholic background but with Protestant second cousins on my father's side and good friends from both sides of the "divide" - the whole shenanigans around the July marching season is pathetic and sad!

So you have Protestant 2nd cousins on your fathers side. So integrated then. Sounds very condescending to me.

You are correct in that Belfast is a far better city than Dublin to go out in. I’m not talking about the Shankill rd or Falls rd as that would be like me going to Dublin and heading to Ballymum.

Avoiding Belfast for the whole month of July is completely ridiculous. Avoid the 12th day if you are bothered but the city centre is now full of hipster bars and great craic in general. Probably more Irish than Dublin nowadays funny enough.

retalivity

Do they still have that silly mascot to make it a 'fun filled family day'? Super orange tom or whatevrr he is called?

[Deleted User]

timthumbni wrote: »

Just home from a great parade. Big crowd, great weather (for NI anyway). Any genuine questions not from the usual republican circle jerk posters welcome. And they know who they are as do I.

Just if you could answer or give a guess to why a Swastika is flown along side the Union flag? We get the Israel one, could you shed light or offer a theory on the Nazi one?

timthumbni

Just home from a great parade. Big crowd, great weather (for NI anyway). Any genuine questions not from the usual republican circle jerk posters welcome. And they know who they are as do I.

JupiterKid

As someone from a Northern family (Belfast born) who moved to Dublin in 1976 (when I was 1 year old) to escape the darkest days of the Troubles and of a Catholic background but with Protestant second cousins on my father's side and good friends from both sides of the "divide" - the whole shenanigans around the July marching season is pathetic and sad.

Basically the North is best avoided for the entire month of July - the height of the tourist season in Ireland. Many of my Nordie mates just take holidays abroad with their families at this time of year because of all the tension and hassle that they would rather their kids not be exposed to directly.

It's a pretty sad state of affairs and shows that Northern Ireland is easily the most socially regressive place in Western Europe and is decades away from being ready to reunify with the Republic. Anywho, it seems many if not most people in the Republic do not want the North will all its attendant problems and given the crap up there at the moment, that is very understandable.

But I will say that Belfast is a great wee city to visit and is much friendlier than Dublin. It has come on in leaps and bounds since the Good Friday Agreement and is a great place to visit and shop.

...but ideally not in the month of July!

timthumbni

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

It’s a supremacist parade that would be banned if it targeted any other ethnic group.

Examples please...

evolving_doors

realdanbreen wrote: »

I see where there is a gigantic pile of pallets stacked up in an estate in Portadown which the fire service regard as a 'serious health and safety risk'. Apparently 30+ firms have been approached to remove/dismantle it but nobody will touch it. One things for certain if that was some years ago in a nationalist area the British army would be steaming in like a flash to dismantle it and anything else that was in its way.

I thought this thread was about a batch of Conor MacGregor's booze that no-one wanted.

Edgware

endacl wrote: »

Ah, the cognitive dissonance of the scumbag class. Reminds me of the Croke Park protester...

Classic gob****e

FrancieBrady

endacl wrote: »

Ah, the cognitive dissonance of the scumbag class. Reminds me of the Croke Park protester...

Not that there aren't fools on both sides.

But you really should update yourself on that pic. It is a fairly obvious photoshop.
You can see how it was done.

endacl

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Never seen that. Classic.

Ah, the cognitive dissonance of the scumbag class.

Reminds me of the Croke Park protester...

Junkyard Tom

There's a little more to Unionist flying of the flag of Israel. At its heart Unionist sympathies are not with Jews, or even Israel, but with ultra-nationalist Israel's treatment of the Palestinians.

Unionists wish that the British would have 'West Banked' rebel Belfast and 'Gazaed' South Armagh and the Bogside of Derry. Remember it wasn't so long ago that Unionist politicians were calling for airstrikes on Dundalk.

Make no mistake about it there are elements within Unionism who'd like nothing more than a big militarised wall built along the length of the border with the pesky natives on 'their' side knowing their subordinated place.

It's a torture fantasy.

citytillidie

Nazi flag is just a footnote to their KKK links

FrancieBrady

Scarlet42 wrote: »

Here is a good one for you .. Marching to commemorate the Battle of The Some a few years ago

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/nazi-swastika-tattooed-man-takes-part-in-belfast-somme-commemoration-parade-34816123.html

Never seen that. Classic.

Scarlet42

Here is a good one for you .. Marching to commemorate the Battle of The Somme a few years ago

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/nazi-swastika-tattooed-man-takes-part-in-belfast-somme-commemoration-parade-34816123.html

FrancieBrady

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Surely they notice the irony of the Nazi & Israel flags side by side?

I'll pass on that. Ask me an easy one!

Fr D Maugire

Went to an Ulster rugby game few years ago. Two lads behind us chatting away, general chit chat, one was clearly home from America on holidays so was little out of touch with the Ulster team. Tommy Bowe came up in the coversation, and the US based guy asked where Bowe was from. The other answered Monaghan. "Ah not a real Ulster man then" was the response. I just laughed that even though this guy was living overseas, the old tribalisms were still there.

DrPhilG wrote: »

I just quizzed my other half (Derry girl) on this.

Sure enough even though she was a "Haffa" (half a jaffa), she went to a mixed primary school and a Protestant secondary school and they were taught that Ulster was the 6 counties.

I just find it nuts that in adulthood, and talking about educated men involved in politics at the highest level, nobody pointed this out to them.

Carson had a pussy cat, it sat upon the fender. And when you pulled the pussy's tail it shouted NO SURRENDER.

My wife's uncle was a devout Unionist and used to teach the kids that when they were wee, just to annoy their Catholic da. Lol

Gimme A Pound

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

It doesnt- I dont get the Nazi one and thats the most confusing.

Wasn't a big part of the building of an Ulster identity the fighting of the German's in 2 World Wars?

I just cant understand the Nazi one

Cognitive dissonance. They're anti immigration - and apparently the only way this can be expressed is with a swastika... even if alongside an Israel flag.

Also, idiocy.

Poor_old_gill

NIMAN wrote: »

This YouTube clip will explain everything you need to know about flegs.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o8JqKxrloQQ

It doesnt- I dont get the Nazi one and thats the most confusing.

Wasn't a big part of the building of an Ulster identity the fighting of the German's in 2 World Wars?

I just cant understand the Nazi one

Poor_old_gill

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I can explain 2.

The UJ= obvious
The Israeli flag = because themuns see an affinity with Palestinians.

The Nazi one = ****ed if I know.

Surely they notice the irony of the Nazi & Israel flags side by side?