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The glorious 12th

realdanbreen

I see where there is a gigantic pile of pallets stacked up in an estate in Portadown which the fire service regard as a 'serious health and safety risk'. Apparently 30+ firms have been approached to remove/dismantle it but nobody will touch it. One things for certain if that was some years ago in a nationalist area the British army would be steaming in like a flash to dismantle it and anything else that was in its way.

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Hamsterchops

votecounts wrote: »

Did you not know that there is a bonfire on the grounds of a leisure centre?
If not read up on it before having a go at my post.

In post #175 I said "Bonfires in Leisure centres"? because you had said the there were bonfires in leisure centres, ok so it's in the carpark which I agree is totally reckless & crazy!

I stand by the rest of #175.

janfebmar

frosty123 wrote: »

Hatred & division??...and who are we to talk look at all the support SF and the IRA get down here ffs!
Ra heads have their marches as well you know which are far more intimidating.

The IRA March of a few months ago in O'Connell st., far more intimidating.

Odhinn

citytillidie wrote: »

Send them all down to the Boyne to march I would have no problem with that.

Why do they have to try and force themselves into areas they are not welcome?

.....because it was to show the papists just whose country they were living in, and who was top dog.

igCorcaigh

Strumms wrote: »

If the psni are coming out with that guff it’s basically code for... ‘if you wind them up and and it ends up kicking off we don’t have what it takes to stop them’. Please don’t WIND THEM UP !!!

No, the identity of the contractors had been leaked. To proceed with the removal would have put their lives in danger.

FrancieBrady

Strumms wrote: »

If the psni are coming out with that guff it’s basically code for... ‘if you wind them up and and it ends up kicking off we don’t have what it takes to stop them’. Please don’t WIND THEM UP !!!

The madness here is that they stood by and watched this being built.
It is again fairly evident that this is capitulation and dereliction of duty simply because it suits some in the PSNI.

Strumms

_blaaz wrote: »

PSNI issue warning to not remove bonfire material for fear of UVF violence

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/bonfires-psni-understood-to-have-issued-gun-violence-warning-to-belfast-councillors-936125.html

If the psni are coming out with that guff it’s basically code for... ‘if you wind them up and and it ends up kicking off we don’t have what it takes to stop them’. Please don’t WIND THEM UP !!!

votecounts

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Bonfires in leisure centres? .. and re the PSNI, your secterian state comment is far from the truth in the modern era.
The PSNI is a fully accountable, professional & modern police force.

Did you not know that there is a bonfire on the grounds of a leisure centre?
If not read up on it before having a go at my post.

jam_mac_jam

citytillidie wrote: »

frosty123 wrote: »

Hatred & division??...and who are we to talk look at all the support SF and the IRA get down here ffs!
Ra heads have their marches as well you know which are far more intimidating.

Send them all down to the Boyne to march I would have no problem with that.

Why do they have to try and force themselves into areas they are not welcome?

Intimidation

Hamsterchops

cgcsb wrote: »

But they only apply the law to the nationalist minority (majority now I guess??)

The PSNI applies Best Practice to all its affairs with the public, they are also bound by the Ombudsmans office to be totally impartial. If the PSNI/ Chief constable did not comply, be assured they would be outed and publicly repremanded.

citytillidie

frosty123 wrote: »

Hatred & division??...and who are we to talk look at all the support SF and the IRA get down here ffs!
Ra heads have their marches as well you know which are far more intimidating.

Send them all down to the Boyne to march I would have no problem with that.

Why do they have to try and force themselves into areas they are not welcome?

gooch2k9

Look at the two videos posted(Drumcree and Woodvale), they say it all. These people have no interest in a shared future.

The Spanish police from Catalunya last year are bound to need a training exercise at this point, because the PSNI have shown they're not up to task.

munsterlegend

frosty123 wrote: »

Hatred & division??...and who are we to talk look at all the support SF and the IRA get down here ffs!
Ra heads have their marches as well you know which are far more intimidating.

People have a right to march freely in any democracy. There are plenty marches I don’t agree with such as real ira ones. However this is more than just a march. Those archaic Neanderthals in the orange order get a national holiday to march. This hatred is actually celebrated by politicians in power. It’s crazy stuff.

frosty123

munsterlegend wrote: »

the orange order is a symbol of sectarian supremacy and you can dress it up whatever way you like as some family day but at its hearts is hatred and division.

Hatred & division??...and who are we to talk look at all the support SF and the IRA get down here ffs!
Ra heads have their marches as well you know which are far more intimidating.

munsterlegend

No country in a right thinking modern society would have a public holiday to celebrate such an event and sectarian marches. The orange order is a symbol of sectarian supremacy and you can dress it up whatever way you like as some family day but at its hearts is hatred and division.

_blaaz

Personally dont think its a bad idea for the psni to let them have their bonfires....not worth someone getting killed over tbh

FrancieBrady

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

There should be a containment strategy in the event of a UI. Keep the current arrangements as they are but no new parades unless there is absolute unanimity from the locals.

Incidentally this is the anniversary of the UVF murder of three children as a response to the a unionist hate-carnival not being allowed to march the Garvaghy Road.

20 year moratorium on the display of flags(except at official state events) and on parades/marching on the public highway on the whole island. That goes for all, not just unionists.

Junkyard Tom

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They will be insisting we doff the hat and accept these annual hate fests no doubt.

There should be a containment strategy in the event of a UI. Keep the current arrangements as they are but no new parades unless there is absolute unanimity from the locals.

Incidentally this is the anniversary of the UVF murder of three children as a response to a unionist hate-carnival not being allowed to march the Garvaghy Road.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nbC5jL-ivY

FrancieBrady

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

It wasn't so long ago MaryJane here was predicting the implosion of the EU and Sterling being re-adopted the de facto currency of Ireland. She seems to have quietly parked those fantasies and retreated to the 'you'll never have a United Ireland anyway HAHAHA!' position.

When there is a UI I wonder what these types would be claiming as 'victory'... red-white-and-blue kerbs maybe?

Sure God love us.

They will be insisting we doff the hat and accept these annual hate fests no doubt.

Unionists can forget having these displays as a part of an official UI, it ain't gonna happen. But I think they know themselves how archaic and neanderthal they are.

Junkyard Tom

janfebmar wrote: »

One thing for sure, things are different up there, and there will never be a United Ireland in our lifetime, thank God.

It wasn't so long ago MaryJane here was predicting the implosion of the EU and Sterling being reestablished as the de facto currency of Ireland. She seems to have quietly parked those fantasies and retreated to the 'you'll never have a United Ireland anyway HAHAHA!' position.

When there is a UI I wonder what these types would be claiming as 'victory'... red-white-and-blue kerbs maybe?

Sure God love us.

FrancieBrady

cgcsb wrote: »

The attempt to dismantle it is now off. The message here is, loyalst knacks can do whatever they like wherever they like, whenever they like.

We might not (almost certainly wouldn't be) be where we are today had the security forces decided they were too scared to intervene in Derry and Ballymurphy.

cgcsb

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Bonfires in leisure centres? .. and re the PSNI, your secterian state comment is far from the truth in the modern era.
The PSNI is a fully accountable, professional & modern police force.

But they only apply the law to the nationalist minority(majority now I guess??)

citytillidie

Hamsterchops wrote: »

T'will destroy the tarmac.
The PSNI also have the Ombudsman looking over their shoulders, so whatever they do be assured it's closely monitored.

Ah sure it will only destroy the carpark forget about everything else

lawred2

Graces7 wrote: »

for a fine specimen of double talk, read this.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2019/0711/1061417-northern-ireland-bonfires/

They intend to charge them after the event?

cowards

El Weirdo

Odhinn wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naK7EZRezj8

Culture.

Hamsterchops

T'will destroy the tarmac.
The PSNI also have the Ombudsman looking over their shoulders, so whatever they do be assured it's closely monitored.

citytillidie

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Bonfires in leisure centres? .. and re the PSNI, your secterian state comment is far from the truth in the modern era.
The PSNI is a fully accountable, professional & modern police force.

Yes there is a bonfire set up in a leisure center carpark where have you been since Sunday. The PSNI even issued a warning to the council that the names of the contractor who was due to remove the bonfire has been leaked and UVF have threatened them. If the PSNI know this then they should be in raiding those houses and not standing back letting them take over council property.

Graces7

lawred2 wrote: »

Apparently the hand wringing PSNI have no legal powers to remove bonfires...

WTF?

for a fine specimen of double talk, read this.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2019/0711/1061417-northern-ireland-bonfires/

They intend to charge them after the event?

lawred2

Apparently the hand wringing PSNI have no legal powers to remove bonfires...

WTF?

Odhinn

janfebmar wrote: »

I would find the new IRA (or whatever type of Republican they call themselves) March in our capital's main street, only days after the journalist was shot in Derry, much more frightening and sinister than a family day out commemorating something from hundreds of years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naK7EZRezj8

Deise Vu

NIMAN wrote: »

Unfortunately it's not just knack bags as you put it.

We have Reverends in the north who want these things built and defend the builders. Politicians too.

It's a real classless culture. Most normal people in the world, if you asked them what culture was, would talk about art, music, drama, poetry etc. But culture to some is building a huge bonfire wherever they want, threatening people if they talk about moving it, loading it with tyres to poison the air, putting property at risk, and putting photos of people on it to express your sectarianism and racism.

Yeah, that's culture NI style.

I've always found it puzzling that the bonfires are a celebration of their loyalty to the British throne which they originally demonstrated by helping the Dutch king defeat the English King. The Dutch lads didn't last long after and the Germans took over. But that's OK apparently......