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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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SleetAndSnow

marno21 wrote: »

The “save R&H Hall” crowd are probably getting mobilized too with the news on Tuesday

But thats a gorgeous building! The beautiful greyness, windowless, concrete slab adds character to the docklands and the city has been build around that! Destroying it will destroy the entire character of the city! The grey next to the river just looks so.. elegant and is a brilliant example of Corks history!

/s

fonecrusher1

sheff_ wrote: »

At this rate we’ll be seeing a ‘Save Moore’s Hotel’ campaign whenever plans get released for that development

I'll have you know that's a beautiful and historically significant building.

:pac:

marno21

sheff_ wrote: »

At this rate we’ll be seeing a ‘Save Moore’s Hotel’ campaign whenever plans get released for that development

The “save R&H Hall” crowd are probably getting mobilized too with the news on Tuesday

sheff_

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

But the only (mildly) intetesting aspect of the sextant is the front angled face and entrance and window (2nd/3rd floor) cornices and eaves.

Look at the hideous ground floor windows. jesus wept, no effort. Its such an architecturally significant building it spent some considerable time under a Jameson sign.

At this rate we’ll be seeing a ‘Save Moore’s Hotel’ campaign whenever plans get released for that development

fonecrusher1

Christ what a joke this is. Proposal for that site to accommodate badly needed high density city apartments during a housing crisis and the 'We love the Sextant' brigade suddenly arise. Oh that's an important building! Says the person who probably literally forgot it existed until someone told them there was plans to build on the site. Same oul craic with the Port of Cork warehouses that have been sitting rotten for decades and nobody gave a sh!te about them... until developers showed interest in the site.

:rolleyes:

There is absolutely nothing about the sextant building that even remotely makes me have a quick think about maybe not knocking it. Get rid, Cork city needs the investment.

Markcheese

I quite like the look of the Sextant, especially in its shocking blue, I could maybe see the worth of trying to keep it, if it was going to be surrounded by 4 or 5 storey buildings,
Not so keen on it being incorporated into a 15 or 20 storey tower, that's going to fill that whole block... But if the designers can come up with a decent way of incorporating it then great...

Markcheese

I quite like the look of the sexta

Roger Hassenforder

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

Similarly I believe that the Odlums building facade should be kept. Not sure what will happen with that.

Deffo

Roger Hassenforder

Former Observer wrote: »

The ugliest thing in that picture is the brand new Navigation Square building.

A woeful combination of bland design with a hideous, decadent cheapo-looking viewing area across the top. Will age poorly.

On the other hand, One Albert Quay is an example of a modern office building done right.

I maintain that the new developments would benefit greatly from keeping the Sextant as is. Adds character and does not take up too much space.

Whether some lad who never gave the Sextant a second thought before and whose friends all drink in Canty's says otherwise is a point of indifference to me. Plenty of people are aware of the Sexton and look favorably on the building, and no amount of historical revisionism will change that.

I dont disagree navigation house is butt ugly!

But the only (mildly) intetesting aspect of the sextant is the front angled face and entrance and window (2nd/3rd floor) cornices and eaves.

Look at the hideous ground floor windows. jesus wept, no effort. Its such an architecturally significant building it spent some considerable time under a Jameson sign.

They could incorporate some aspects of it into a new design possibly, but as the event centre shows, civic minded design not a forte here.

hans aus dtschl

TheChizler wrote: »

Just pointing out that you can't speak for everyone. I made my feelings clear a while back but have been away so couldn't engage much. Always liked that building, disagree that it's architecturally or culturally insignificant, and posted supporting links to the Architectural survey of Ireland, but ultimately if it would be too difficult to integrate into a new development would accept the loss of it.

I highly disagree with the sentiment that people are just jumping on the save it bandwagon because they don't like high rise, in some sort of effort to discredit them.

I'm in favour of the high rise in that location and I think the Sextant facade should have been kept.
I don't really care one way or the other about the pub, it's irrelevant to me. It has little to do with nostalgia: i don't drink there and I wasn't around when it was first built.

Similarly I believe that the Odlums building facade should be kept. Not sure what will happen with that.

TheChizler

CHealy wrote: »

Are you in the 'all of a sudden' crew aswell?

Just pointing out that you can't speak for everyone. I made my feelings clear a while back but have been away so couldn't engage much. Always liked that building, disagree that it's architecturally or culturally insignificant, and posted supporting links to the Architectural survey of Ireland, but ultimately if it would be too difficult to integrate into a new development would accept the loss of it.

I highly disagree with the sentiment that people are just jumping on the save it bandwagon because they don't like high rise, in some sort of effort to discredit them.

CHealy

TheChizler wrote: »

Speak for yourself!

Are you in the 'all of a sudden' crew aswell?

j8wk2feszrnpao

Former Observer wrote: »

You understand that it's the facade that people are discussing right?

Yes. You do understand I can add to the discussion without having you in mind. It's a pub in an ugly boring blue building.

Former Observer wrote: »

Fascinating.

Fascinating addition to the discussion.

TheChizler

CHealy wrote: »

Because its of zero architectural significance to a brand new rejuvenated area of Cork. Not one person has ever passed the Sextant and thought about its "character".

Speak for yourself!

Justin Credible Darts

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Exactly. A few friends of mine have gone "Oh no, not the Sextant", but they haven't passed it or gone there in a few years. It's just a pub.

spot on.

The same people who have just come to the conclusion the sextant should be saved on some nonsense of nostalgia had no objections to finer building knocked down in the past.
no problem with St Kevins which is a vastly superior building possibly hauled down for a housing estate.

go figure

Former Observer

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

In fairness, they're incomparable.
One is like a dolls house, a beautiful well preserved, red brick Georgian building with a pub. The other, well, looks like an ugly blue yoke:

The ugliest thing in that picture is the brand new Navigation Square building.

A woeful combination of bland design with a hideous, decadent cheapo-looking viewing area across the top. Will age poorly.

On the other hand, One Albert Quay is an example of a modern office building done right.

I maintain that the new developments would benefit greatly from keeping the Sextant as is. Adds character and does not take up too much space.

Whether some lad who never gave the Sextant a second thought before and whose friends all drink in Canty's says otherwise is a point of indifference to me. Plenty of people are aware of the Sexton and look favorably on the building, and no amount of historical revisionism will change that.

Former Observer

munstermagic11 wrote: »

A few friends of mine have gone "Oh no, not the Sextant", but they haven't passed it or gone there in a few years.

Fascinating.

wrote:

It's just a pub.

You understand that it's the facade that people are discussing right?

Roger Hassenforder

Captainsatnav wrote: »

á la The Ferryman in the IFSC on John Rogerson's Quay. Looks out of place but definitely fits in because of it. Plus it's hopping most days

In fairness, they're incomparable.

One is like a dolls house, a beautiful well preserved, red brick Georgian building with a pub. The other, well, looks like an ugly blue yoke:

snotboogie

Black_Knight wrote: »

Not to sound like i'm entitled to your free time or anything, but was the Q2 update posted? I've scanned through the last months posts and couldn't see it.

Very much appreciate the effort you put into them.

No problem at all, I title the updates based on the time period that has passed between the last update, think of it as "what happened in Q1". So April was the Q1 update and July (ahem) will be the Q2 update

j8wk2feszrnpao

CHealy wrote: »

All of a sudden............

Exactly. A few friends of mine have gone "Oh no, not the Sextant", but they haven't passed it or gone there in a few years. It's just a pub.

Former Observer

CHealy wrote: »

All of a sudden............

:rolleyes:

CHealy

Former Observer wrote: »

Absolute codswallop. It's a characterful building that has always been admired as such by plenty of people.

All of a sudden............

Former Observer

CHealy wrote: »

Because its of zero architectural significance to a brand new rejuvenated area of Cork. Not one person has ever passed the Sextant and thought about its "character".

Absolute codswallop. It's a characterful building that has always been admired as such by plenty of people.

Black_Knight

snotboogie wrote: »

Coming at the end of the month. Pretty decent update this time I think, unlike Q1 where essentially nothing happened. Still no major project started in 2019 though but I think there is a good chance of a massive flurry of activity starting at the end of Q3.

Not to sound like i'm entitled to your free time or anything, but was the Q2 update posted? I've scanned through the last months posts and couldn't see it.

Very much appreciate the effort you put into them.

Captainsatnav

Former Observer wrote: »

Why would they not just leave the Sextant as is? Would create a nice bit of character beside the new buildings and hardly taking up loads of space. Could see it being very popular for people working in the new office complexes for a drink after 5.00pm

á la The Ferryman in the IFSC on John Rogerson's Quay. Looks out of place but definitely fits in because of it. Plus it's hopping most days

hans aus dtschl

CHealy wrote: »

Because its of zero architectural significance to a brand new rejuvenated area of Cork. Not one person has ever passed the Sextant and thought about its "character".

Well whatever about architectural significance, it is an art deco facade kind of matching the train station down the road. So I think it's a mistake by the developer not to try to keep it (the facade), personally.

The new "glass boxes" that are everywhere are fairly boring looking. I suspect we'll look at a lot of them in 20 years time and think there was a lack of effort.

CHealy

Former Observer wrote: »

Why would they not just leave the Sextant as is? Would create a nice bit of character beside the new buildings and hardly taking up loads of space. Could see it being very popular for people working in the new office complexes for a drink after 5.00pm

Because its of zero architectural significance to a brand new rejuvenated area of Cork. Not one person has ever passed the Sextant and thought about its "character".

Former Observer

Why would they not just leave the Sextant as is? Would create a nice bit of character beside the new buildings and hardly taking up loads of space. Could see it being very popular for people working in the new office complexes for a drink after 5.00pm

Apogee

Apogee wrote: »

https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Corks-derelict-sites-are-worth-20-million-ae58db65-ee71-497c-923c-ea557c9800fb-ds

Not sure how significant it is, but St Kevin's 14 acre site is no longer listed on Daft or Lisney websites.

Echo wrote:

COMMUNITIES in Sunday’s Well and Shanakiel must be consulted if proposals for a large-scale housing project at the landmark St Kevin’s Hospital site are to be successful, it has been warned.The red brick St Kevin’s Hospital, overlooking Lee Rd, is in the ownership of the Land Development Agency after it was put up for sale by the HSE for €2.95m. Details of the deal to acquire the 14-acre site have not been made available.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/St-Kevins-Hospital-to-become-large-scale-housing-project-amid-fears-of-backlash-from-nearby-residents-34f7498d-47a8-4979-ba5f-4a1944fb8840-ds

namloc1980

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

To give you even lower hanging fruit, they could build a pathway beside the rail line from the current station to the proposed station location.

It would be a 500m walk for you.
It would cost very little.
It was specifically in the Cork Cycle Network Plan.
I won't horrify you with it's specific current status, but let's just say council aren't thinking like that.

Another shiny plan with zero intention of being implemented. Just like CMATS and a while host of other plans that have come and gone.