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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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fonecrusher1

sheff_ wrote: »

At this rate we’ll be seeing a ‘Save Moore’s Hotel’ campaign whenever plans get released for that development

I'll have you know that's a beautiful and historically significant building.

:pac:

SleetAndSnow

marno21 wrote: »

The “save R&H Hall” crowd are probably getting mobilized too with the news on Tuesday

But thats a gorgeous building! The beautiful greyness, windowless, concrete slab adds character to the docklands and the city has been build around that! Destroying it will destroy the entire character of the city! The grey next to the river just looks so.. elegant and is a brilliant example of Corks history!

/s

TheChizler

Lads could you try not to be so dismissive of and openly mock people who are only voicing their genuine opinion. Everyone's thoughts have value.

It's not 'knock it and build all the tall shiny buildings' vs 'keep all the old buildings never make progress especially not high rise', people are more intelligent than that.

questionmark?

TheChizler wrote: »

people are more intelligent than that.

Are you sure? Leaving An Taisce aside there is an anti development spirit amongst a lot of people in the city when anything new gets proposed. Scared of change!

sheff_

TheChizler wrote: »

Lads could you try not to be so dismissive of and openly mock people who are only voicing their genuine opinion. Everyone's thoughts have value.

It's not 'knock it and build all the tall shiny buildings' vs 'keep all the old buildings never make progress especially not high rise', people are more intelligent than that.

This is true. But really a wedge out of one corner is about the only thing of significance in the sextant building. Between Victoria Road roundabout and union quay the Phoenix/Charlie’s/the lobby, City Hall, the 2 old train stations and the entire row from the idle hour up to the roundabout look like they’re going nowhere. It’s not like the sextant is the last of its kind even in that locality

TheChizler

questionmark? wrote: »

Are you sure? Leaving An Taisce aside there is an anti development spirit amongst a lot of people in the city when anything new gets proposed. Scared of change!

Well I'd be prepared to rephrase as 'most' people are more intelligent than that

Markcheese

[ Same oul craic with the Port of Cork warehouses that have been sitting rotten for decades and nobody gave a sh!te about them... until developers showed interest in the site.

:rolleyes:
.[/quote]

Well somebody must give a ****e, they're listed, and there was quite a issue over the removal of the slate veranda / overhang,
And just because something is allowed to become derelict and unused doesn't mean it should be demolished,
Yes they're gonna be difficult to repurpose, and that's reflected in the price paid...

Rhys Essien

Holy smokes, the day has come and it's 34 storeys.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Developers-reveal-plans-for-Irelands-tallest-building-at-Port-of-Cork-site-twice-the-height-of-Elysian-Tower-59c240f1-a221-4f81-9ccd-0416db5d7463-ds#.XSgV-cnE-AA.twitter

j8wk2feszrnpao

Markcheese wrote: »

Well somebody must give a ****e, they're listed

That counts as giving a ****e?
Add to a list, let rot away. Wait for someone else to really give a ****e, come up with an actual plan and finances.

namloc1980

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Holy smokes, the day has come and it's 34 storeys.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Developers-reveal-plans-for-Irelands-tallest-building-at-Port-of-Cork-site-twice-the-height-of-Elysian-Tower-59c240f1-a221-4f81-9ccd-0416db5d7463-ds#.XSgV-cnE-AA.twitter

It's opposite to what was originally flagged. The tower now is on top of the custom House building instead of on the end of the site.

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chalkitdown1

Looks fantastic tbh.

Queue the objections in 3...2....

vinnie_cork

It will be great for the area, and yes no doubt some numpty will object, there's always at least 1 who will suggest it be left as is and opened as a museum for Cork flags of the middle parish or some other absurd idea. :rolleyes:

snotboogie

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

But thats a gorgeous building! The beautiful greyness, windowless, concrete slab adds character to the docklands and the city has been build around that! Destroying it will destroy the entire character of the city! The grey next to the river just looks so.. elegant and is a brilliant example of Corks history!

/s

https://twitter.com/savecorkcity/status/1112683675135680514

snotboogie

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Holy smokes, the day has come and it's 34 storeys.

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Developers-reveal-plans-for-Irelands-tallest-building-at-Port-of-Cork-site-twice-the-height-of-Elysian-Tower-59c240f1-a221-4f81-9ccd-0416db5d7463-ds#.XSgV-cnE-AA.twitter

That is a far better proposal than those early renders released two years ago. I'm extremely happy with that

namloc1980

An Taisce will have a field day now what with the building now on top of the custom House. As well as any other number of cranks.

hans aus dtschl

I really hope they get this built. It would be a real landmark building.

As far as I'm aware, these lads haven't got a proven record of building in Ireland yet do they?

snotboogie

namloc1980 wrote: »

An Taisce will have a field day now what with the building now on top of the custom House. As well as any other number of cranks.

I thinks it's best to accept now that this will be appealed and delayed. It is what it is. I think that this will ultimately get through the planning process, by the time ABP get their hands on this they will have already approved The Prism and hopefully the JCD Tower.

leahyl

namloc1980 wrote: »

It's opposite to what was originally flagged. The tower now is on top of the custom House building instead of on the end of the site.

I think that looks absolutely stunning - love the way they have incorporated the Custom House with it!! Got a flutter of excitement there when I saw it! I really hope this gets the green light.

namloc1980

The comments on the Echo Facebook post for this are embarrassing but sadly representative of a large number of people in Cork.

leahyl

namloc1980 wrote: »

The comments on the Echo Facebook post for this are embarrassing but sadly representative of a large number of people in Cork.

Can't believe some people; they are keeping the historic buildings and they're still not happy!

CHealy

Facebook is no place to be trying to have level headed discussions about anything of importance. Facebook has no bearing on the planning outcome.

what the hell!

namloc1980 wrote: »

The comments on the Echo Facebook post for this are embarrassing but sadly representative of a large number of people in Cork.

Don't forget it's always the negative crowd that will make it their business to go online and shout loudest! Plenty out there (I hope) that would love to see this.

the beer revolu

TheChizler wrote: »

Lads could you try not to be so dismissive of and openly mock people who are only voicing their genuine opinion. Everyone's thoughts have value.

It's not 'knock it and build all the tall shiny buildings' vs 'keep all the old buildings never make progress especially not high rise', people are more intelligent than that.

If I could thank this 100 times, I would.

Of course developers want to knock everything old and build new. Because it's the only way? Because it's the best way?
It is in its shlte!
It's the cheapest way.

All you mockers who have no regard for older buildings unless they are classical play right into the hands of developers.
You can have progress and development and conservation all at the same time. Yes, some buildings need to go for the sake of progress but there needs to be a grown up discussion on what can be kept and what should be kept.

Developers are in the business to make money. That's their job. They are not here to do what is best for the city. We need a grown up debate, not a polarised slagging match.

It would be a travesty to let the stone vaults at the Port of Cork /Cork Bonded Warehouse go. I can't believe people are being sagged off for wanting to preserve this architectural gem. I am all in favour of tower and redevelopment of this site.

I think, with good design, there could be merit in keeping the Sextant building. I am also in favour of developing this site.

Now here's one for you. I love the R&H Hall building. I just do. However, I get it that others find it ugly. I don't mock them for this. I'd love to see it repuposed but I suspect I'll never get to see this.

So, can we have a less black and white, mature discussion with an understanding that wanting to preserve architecture of varied types is not, necessarily, anti development and anti progress?

And yes, there are people at each extreme but forcing people to be one or the other is no good for anyone.

Rant over

BUNK1982

I think the new Custom House proposal is excellent - incorporates the old building, leaves the bonded warehouses largely intact, also leaves that area relatively open as a civic space and creates a real landmark building.

On the R&H hall - it may be ugly but it's still quite iconic and with the Odlums building is central to the docklands heritage. I would like to see it maintained or integrated in new developments.

Pablo Escobar

I'm not exactly sure how you re-purpose R&H Hall. It's useful because it's height sets precedence, but outside of that, it'll just have to go.

On Odlums, yeah, that's a building that must and will stay.

snotboogie

BUNK1982 wrote: »

I think the new Custom House proposal is excellent - incorporates the old building, leaves the bonded warehouses largely intact, also leaves that area relatively open as a civic space and creates a real landmark building.

On the R&H hall - it may be ugly but it's still quite iconic and with the Odlums building is central to the docklands heritage. I would like to see it maintained or integrated in new developments.

R&H Hall re-purposing would be farcically expensive, unless there is monster money from overseas waiting to pour into the project I don't see how it would be feasible. I would agree that in an ideal scenario R&H Hall would be included in the new development, something like this conversion in South Africa but I don't see where that sort of money comes from? The Odlums building is protected and can't be knocked.

cgcsb

With all these developments happening, I just can't get my head around how the government can justify doing nothing at all to improve transport in Cork between now and 2030.

Captainsatnav

cgcsb wrote: »

With all these developments happening, I just can't get my head around how the government can justify doing nothing at all to improve transport in Cork between now and 2030.

probably because they know pigs will fly before most of them actually get built to be honest and CMATS was nothing more than a junket

j8wk2feszrnpao

the beer revolu wrote: »

All you mockers who have no regard for older buildings unless they are classical play right into the hands of developers.

People who don't have the same point of view as you aren't playing into anyone hand, they are voicing their opinion (which you wish to thank 100 times).

I have no problem with the desire to retain buildings of value, but the uproar over the Sextant alienates people who otherwise may have sympathy with such a cause (similar to the way An Taisce have become a joke); which is one way to play into developers hands.

Yes, developers are in the business to make money, greed if you like. But people also need housing to live and places to work. The greed to consistently object to such developments (for their own self desires) isn't in the best interests of the city or it's people either.

Personally I think the R&H Hall is an ugly monolith that presents an eyesore for those who past by it on the way into the city. But, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Re-purposing would be great, but as per snotboogie, unfeasible.

Maybe there's some people that are mocking all older buildings, but I haven't seen that here (acknowledging that I do have some on ignore).

hans aus dtschl

snotboogie wrote: »

can't be knocked.

I hope you're right. We have seen "difficult" buildings go bump in the night all too often.

I'm with others here in hoping that we could have a more mature discussion than "keep/knock everything". I think the Sextant facade is nicer than many of the identikit new buildings. I agree it's not an art deco masterpiece but it's not completely worthless architecture either.

I'd like to see some of the ESB turbine hall re-purposed Battersea-style. It's not an architectural gem, but would possibly make a good events building. R&H hall I'd say is possibly too narrow and tall to be useful for anything like that.