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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VI

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RIGOLO

mcmoustache wrote: »

You haven't a clue how any of this works. It has been explained to you that the FBI doesn't make the plea deals but you are clearly incapable of understanding.

sure I know how it works...

Under Bob Mueller as head of the FBI the FBI never raided any of Epsteins properties .
and in over a decade since, the left leaning biased media, the Democratic Party , the Democratic Supporters, the Clinton Foundation all ignored this story of a child sex trafficking Democratic party mega donor friend of Bill Clinton.

Under TRump Aministration the FBI raided his apartments last week.
And now its a major news item .

Its quite clear how it works.

mcmoustache

RIGOLO wrote: »

sometimes the media dont even need the help of TRump to show how untrustworthy and biased it is..
Just take this weeks example of MEDIA .. HYPOCRISY and shooting itself in hte foot..

I think the Kremlins response said t perfectly ....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/09/russia-rt-sputnik-barred-conference-media-freedom

So what really happened to Seth Rich?

aloyisious

RIGOLO wrote: »

sometimes the media dont even need the help of TRump to show how untrustworthy and biased it is..
Just take this weeks example of MEDIA .. HYPOCRISY and shooting itself in hte foot..

I think the Kremlins response said t perfectly ....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/09/russia-rt-sputnik-barred-conference-media-freedom

What exactly has the UK Govt deciding not to give press accreditation to two Russian Media outlets and the Russian Govt response got to do with Don Trump, apart from being a distraction from the thread item of debate?

mcmoustache

aloyisious wrote: »

What exactly has the UK Govt deciding not to give press accreditation to two Russian Media outlets and the Russian Govt response got to do with Don Trump, apart from being a distraction from the thread item of debate?

It's on the list of daily talking points to be spread across social media.

aloyisious

mcmoustache wrote: »

It's on the list of daily talking points to be spread across social media.

Ta. It's good, then, for Don to be interested in the freedom of the fourth estate

Wanderer78

RIGOLO wrote:

When it comes to child sex trafficing its quite clear the left, The Clintons and The Democratic Paty and the main stream media had little issue with Epstein a DNC mega donor for well over a decade.

Yea, you re issue(s) are far more clearer now, please be aware, a large proportion of the Democratic party aren't actually leftists, particularly since the Clinton era, the British labour party are currently experiencing a similar issue, after the fallout of the Blair era. Chomsky is spot on with his description of this era of the Democratic party, by describing them as 'moderate Republicans', I.e. you won't find much difference between both parties, regarding policies etc.

everlast75

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Yea, you re issue(s) are far more clearer now, please be aware, a large proportion of the Democratic party aren't actually leftists, particularly since the Clinton era, the British labour party are currently experiencing a similar issue, after the fallout of the Blair era. Chomsky is spot on with his description of this era of the Democratic party, by describing them as 'moderate Republicans', I.e. you won't find much difference between both parties, regarding policies etc.

Its used as an insult, nothing more.

The rhetoric is a little more ramped up in the U.S., where they use "socialist"

Walter Bishop

Dog Man Star wrote: »

So far tonight I've watched Trump with a massive lump on the left side of his nose read cuecards about kidney donation. A massive lump from snorting what?

He did at least update our anatomical knowledge with his declaration that 'the kidney has a very special place in the heart'.

MrFresh

aloyisious wrote: »

What exactly has the UK Govt deciding not to give press accreditation to two Russian Media outlets and the Russian Govt response got to do with Don Trump, apart from being a distraction from the thread item of debate?

It's part of the strategy to make Putin seem more reasonable so Trump's collusion doesn't seem so bad. It will work on the hardcore followers.

aloyisious

mcmoustache wrote: »

It's on the list of daily talking points to be spread across social media.

This 2nd reply might seem strange initially but.... In respect to the actuality of the UK Govt ban on the two Russian media outlets, has there been any feedback from sources as to whether it is a tit for tat action or there was a perceived threat of Russian trolling and interference with UK Govt and UK national interests?

Given Don's apparent dislike of the current UK head of Govt, I could well see how a fan of Don would dislike something Don would not like: a Govt taking action to deny Russian disinformation agencies from participating in a media event.

mcmoustache

aloyisious wrote: »

This 2nd reply might seem strange initially but.... In respect to the actuality of the UK Govt ban on the two Russian media outlets, has there been any feedback from sources as to whether it is a tit for tat action or there was a perceived threat of Russian trolling and interference with UK Govt and UK national interests?

Given Don's apparent dislike of the current UK head of Govt, I could well see how a fan of Don would dislike something Don would not like: a Govt taking action to deny Russian disinformation agencies from participating in a media event.

Those media companies have promoted the Seth Rich conspiracy as well as the Skripal and MH17 disinformation campaigns. It's not a news agency any more that Seán Hanitity is a journalist.

Igotadose

Sigh. In other Trump-related news, he's formed a 'commission on unalienable rights' in the State Department, full of reactionary god-botherers who want to take it back to the good old days. No abortion, contraception, marriage equality, none of that new fangled stuff. Minority religious zealots dictating US policy. Scary. Trump's got to go one way or another.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/07/trump-pompeo-glendon-unalienable-rights-state.html

MadYaker

It’s virtue signaling, he needs the evangelical vote and he’s obviously worried that all his years of adultery and everything else will scare them away. He probably hates them.

aloyisious

Igotadose wrote: »

Sigh. In other Trump-related news, he's formed a 'commission on unalienable rights' in the State Department, full of reactionary god-botherers who want to take it back to the good old days. No abortion, contraception, marriage equality, none of that new fangled stuff. Minority religious zealots dictating US policy. Scary. Trump's got to go one way or another.

Edit: Actually this 2nd link https://dwkcommentaries.com/2019/07/04/u-s-commission-on-unalienable-rights-developments/
might be better but I'll leave this last piece [FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Emily Sissell, 202-647-3599.
Dated: May 22, 2019.] - Kiron K. Skinner,
Director, Policy Planning, U.S. Department of State.
[FR Doc. 2019-11300 Filed 5-29-19; 8:45 am]

from the first link I posted as it seems relative to have a contact point should one want to dig further.

From the link above. The Commission will provide the Secretary of State advice and recommendations concerning international human rights matters. The Commission will provide fresh thinking about human rights discourse where such discourse has departed from our nation's founding principles of natural law and natural rights.

everlast75

THIS is how Trump wins 2020

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1149126672639303680?s=20

BonnieSituation

everlast75 wrote: »

THIS is how Trump wins 2020

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1149126672639303680?s=20

Eejit of a statement to make how she did it.

Professor Moriarty

everlast75 wrote: »

THIS is how Trump wins 2020

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1149126672639303680?s=20

Trump is loving AOC now.

pixelburp

Pelosi is a career centrist and her hand-wringing over Trump and overall strategising has been frustrating to witness. You get a sense there are many, younger Democrats who want to fight fire with fire, yet Pelosi's mealy-mouted centrism, in the face of an administration or Senate that doesn't care for 'civility', has looked increasingly naive. Often her statements chastising colleagues like Omar have skirted the realm of patronising.

I don't side with AOC completely, her invocation of casual racism is needless, but I agree with the sentiment; Pelosi is fiddling while Rome burns.

Midlife

AOC, sanders et al are the yin to Trumps yang. they don't just want Trump gone, they want to change things.

What's the point in ousting Trump if you just go back to more of the same centrist, corporate focussed poloicies that have utterly failed working and middle class America?

Edited to include: I don't think Pelosi is doing a bad job. She's taking the safest securest path to putting a democrat (probably Biden) back in power. I think it's just the case that the new fringe of the democrat party don't see that as the ultimate goal. This development is actually extremly healthy for American politics. Politicians aren't just towing the party line and are taking stands on actual issues.

serfboard

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Why does anyone respond to this guy, let alone expect an answer from him?! He's a bot!!
He is a foghorn that drones a message and that's it, no further intelligence or logic will ever come from that bot.
Christ, don't reply to it!

The user concerned is on my ignore list, so I don't see any of the idiotic postings - what I do see is other people depressingly engaging with that crap.

Igotadose wrote: »

Sigh. In other Trump-related news, he's formed a 'commission on unalienable rights' in the State Department, full of reactionary god-botherers who want to take it back to the good old days. No abortion, contraception, marriage equality, none of that new fangled stuff. Minority religious zealots dictating US policy.

It's funny, a country with the two Mikes, Pence and Pompeo, in the highest levels of government, would have the gall to call Iran a theocracy.

MadYaker wrote: »

It’s virtue signaling, he needs the evangelical vote and he’s obviously worried that all his years of adultery and everything else will scare them away. He probably hates them.

Between the NDAs (a trick he learned from Senator Joseph McCarthy's right-hand-man Roy Cohn) and the (rumoured) paid-for abortions, Trump has managed to cover his tracks very well. He has thus reduced every charge to the "he said, she said" variety and muddied the waters sufficiently that the evangelicals (who by definition are already prone to believing extraordinary things) will believe that it is "fake news" brought about by God's enemy, the MSM.

Remember that the evangelicals believe that Trump is like some kind of John The Baptist, an imperfect person paving the way for the true man of God, Mike Pence. They also think that moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem is also hastening the end of days, which they await with relish. Mad stuff, but that's how they think.

Noam Chomsky has also said that this is why they don't believe in Climate Change either - sure isn't Jesus coming any day now, so what's the point in saving the planet for future generations?

PropJoe10

Some of the stuff Trump is spouting on Twitter today is beyond disturbing. He is completely and utterly mentally deficient.

peddlelies

everlast75 wrote: »

THIS is how Trump wins 2020

Finally we agree on something

AOC is great for the Republicans, yesterday she called for the DHS to be abolished.

duploelabs

peddlelies wrote: »

Finally we agree on something

AOC is great for the Republicans, yesterday she called for the DHS to be abolished.

You've been challenged on that DHS statement before, do we need to revisit that again?

dr.fuzzenstein

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Some of the stuff Trump is spouting on Twitter today is beyond disturbing. He is completely and utterly mentally deficient.

That's the problem though, isn't it?
Trump pumps out Twitter sewage on an hourly basis. I neverending river of sh*t, hate, lies and propaganda.
Nope, all fine, all OK, grand, nothing to see here.
AOC says one mildly controversial thing and everyone posts "OHMYGODHOWCOULDSHESAYTHISSHEHANDEDTRUMP2020!!!!!"
How the absolute **** **** ****ity ****ingpizza **** ****stick ****swizzling ****poptart ************banana is that OK?!
Why the absolute **** can Trump work away like the worlds biggest sewage pump and the Democrats have to be absolutely perfect all the time?

Maybe that's the problem.
If the Dems worked the same way the R's do and vote for any shaved ape that can barely grunt and stand upright instead of freaking the **** out over anything they say, things would look different.

Gbear

pixelburp wrote: »

Pelosi is a career centrist and her hand-wringing over Trump and overall strategising has been frustrating to witness. You get a sense there are many, younger Democrats who want to fight fire with fire, yet Pelosi's mealy-mouted centrism, in the face of an administration or Senate that doesn't care for 'civility', has looked increasingly naive. Often her statements chastising colleagues like Omar have skirted the realm of patronising.

I don't side with AOC completely, her invocation of casual racism is needless, but I agree with the sentiment; Pelosi is fiddling while Rome burns.

The people she's singling out are women of colour, though.

I suppose it's uncharitable to assume that's down to race, particularly when they have self-selected into that group within the House Democrats, but if nothing else, Pelosi needs to be smart enough to see that the optics of that don't work in her favour.
And neither does her idiotic interview that came out the other day. And apart from the details of this spat, it speaks to a greater disunity and a failure of her leadership. AOC has been a pretty uniformly reasonable voice on matters great and small, and the passion she's shown should be something to leverage, not disparage, by a political class that is always seen as disingenuous.
She's playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes.

This very much seems like one of those things where it could turn out that we were doing her a disservice once the dust settles; after all, she just became Speaker of the House riding the crest of a Blue Wave, but I can't help but agree with you that, going on all the messaging from the likes of Pelosi, Biden, and other seemingly over the hill memebers of the Democratic party, that this is business as usual and a normal election, is madness, when there is a ripening Republican party plan to enact single party rule and destroy decades of social progress.

Even leaving out the incomparable situation of having an executive that is point blank refusing all oversight, holding the rule of law in total contempt and is breaking it on a whim, has credible rape accusations against the President, has actively encouraged the sabotaging of elections by a foreign power in its favour and is continuing to do so; even without all that utter insanity, there would still be a Republican opponent that has declared war on democracy and nothing should be left to chance, nor should it be assumed to operate the way it always has.

PropJoe10

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

That's the problem though, isn't it?
Trump pumps out Twitter sewage on an hourly basis. I neverending river of sh*t, hate, lies and propaganda.
Nope, all fine, all OK, grand, nothing to see here.
AOC says one mildly controversial thing and everyone posts "OHMYGODHOWCOULDSHESAYTHISSHEHANDEDTRUMP2020!!!!!"
How the absolute **** **** ****ity ****ingpizza **** ****stick ****swizzling ****poptart ************banana is that OK?!
Why the absolute **** can Trump work away like the worlds biggest sewage pump and the Democrats have to be absolutely perfect all the time?

Maybe that's the problem.
If the Dems worked the same way the R's do and vote for any shaved ape that can barely grunt and stand upright instead of freaking the **** out over anything they say, things would look different.

Unfortunately Trump has normalised this now - you see him do and say things that end anyone else's career, yet it's now "expected" to see this level of sewage coming from the White House on a daily basis. He'll win in 2020 as well, just because the Dems are so inept and fighting among themselves. Might as well resign ourselves to another 6 years of this, and then he'll refuse to give up office in 2024 and we'll be stuck with him forever.

serfboard

everlast75 wrote: »

THIS is how Trump wins 2020

A showdown between AOC and Pelosi was always inevitable, given how different their politics is. From the Washington Post:

AOC wrote:

When these comments first started, I kind of thought that she was keeping the progressive flank at more of an arm’s distance in order to protect more moderate members, which I understood

Yep, seems logical.

AOC wrote:

But the persistent singling out . . . it got to a point where it was just outright disrespectful . . . the explicit singling out of newly elected women of color.

Not so sure about this part. I think it's politics - not race. “The Squad” — Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.), Ilhan Omar (Minn.), Rashida Tlaib (Mich.) and Ayanna Pressley (Mass.) may be newly-elected women of colour, but they are also on the opposite end of the Democratic Party to Pelosi.

everlast75

serfboard wrote: »

A showdown between AOC and Pelosi was always inevitable, given how different their politics is. From the Washington Post:
Yep, seems logical.

Not so sure about this part. I think it's politics - not race. “The Squad” — Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.), Ilhan Omar (Minn.), Rashida Tlaib (Mich.) and Ayanna Pressley (Mass.) may be newly-elected women of colour, but they are also on the opposite end of the Democratic Party to Pelosi.

Agreed. No need for race card. Unfortunately when racist nonsense is being hurled at you day in and out for fox et al, sometimes one might see it when its not there.

aloyisious

serfboard wrote: »

A showdown between AOC and Pelosi was always inevitable, given how different their politics is. From the Washington Post:
Yep, seems logical.

Not so sure about this part. I think it's politics - not race. “The Squad” — Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.), Ilhan Omar (Minn.), Rashida Tlaib (Mich.) and Ayanna Pressley (Mass.) may be newly-elected women of colour, but they are also on the opposite end of the Democratic Party to Pelosi.

If they are not talking together, then maybe the W/P is the best go-between possible, though washing the laundry in public will make Don and Co happy. There must be a better way to go for contact.

peddlelies

duploelabs wrote: »

You've been challenged on that DHS statement before, do we need to revisit that again?

I don't know do we?

She thinks that the DHS should be abolished, does that fix your needy semantic meter? Defend your golden girl to the hill, it's helping the Republicans because every time Trump makes a huge overstatement on things like security and the border, there's statements from Cortez and her ilk who the Republicans will point to. Pelosi knows there's no national support for the nonsense Cortez comes out with, that's why there's so much tension there. Any critism of Cortez, Omar and that group of Democrats is met with the race card.