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Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

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The seat map for the B767-200 being leased by EI next year are available on the Aer Lingus website, the seating is 2,3,2 in economy (As was suspected) and 2,2,2 in business

There are 189 economy seats and 12 Business seats making a total of the reported 201 seats.

Anyone know whether the B767 will be repainted, partially or entirely, in the EI colours for the 6 months that its leased for?

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alancostello

Das Reich wrote: »

Why so many flights to San Francisco or other western usa cities and no flight to São Paulo that is even shorter and have a lot of Brazilians here? Had to spend over 1.000 € with other companies and stopping many hours in Lisbon and Madrid. Aer Lingus could be making money if started to operate a direct flight to there.

First of all, Ireland is geographically best positioned to be Europe's connecting link to North America, just as Spain/Madrid is to South America and parts of Africa. Secondly, even if they 'could be making money', do you think they're not making money flying to SFO/MSP/LAX/SEA? They're raking it in, make no mistake about it.

If there was better money to be made, they'd be flying there, IAG know exactly how many people are connecting to Brazil and South America. There's a reason IB and BA aren't flying A380s there, even now they're flying A330s and 788s, the smallest planes in their respective fleets.

Das Reich

Cookiemunster wrote: »

There wouldn't be as many business class seats sold (or probably cargo) on a flight to Brazil. That's not the case with US flights where the premium seats and cargo make a lot of money.

Ok, yes that makes some sense to me now. Thanks I didn't thought about that.

About "geographically connected" as somebody else said, that makes not much sense. Brazil is not far from South Africa but there is no direct flights as the countries have no cultural connection, Japan instead is on the other side of the globe but have a huge amount of nationals in Brazil and there are many flights every day from many different companies.

Locker10a

Das Reich wrote: »

Ok, yes that makes some sense to me now. Thanks I didn't thought about that.

About "geographically connected" as somebody else said, that makes not much sense. Brazil is not far from South Africa but there is no direct flights as the countries have no cultural connection, Japan instead is on the other side of the globe but have a huge amount of nationals in Brazil and there are many flights every day from many different companies.

To be honest I wouldn’t be surprised if at some point there was a service from Brazil to Ireland, i personally think it’s more likely to be a Brazilian airline and maybe flying 2/3 times per week.

Jack1985

EI Mgmt might like running the place on a shoe-string during the summer months, but burnout among all departments (not just pilots and cabin crew) will bite them in the h*le. Pilots have already balloted for industrial action in an indicative vote in the last couple of days.

Locker10a

Jack1985 wrote: »

EI Mgmt might like running the place on a shoe-string during the summer months, but burnout among all departments (not just pilots and cabin crew) will bite them in the h*le. Pilots have already balloted for industrial action in an indicative vote in the last couple of days.

And you can be sure other departments aren’t far behind

theguzman

Das Reich wrote: »

Ok, yes that makes some sense to me now. Thanks I didn't thought about that.

About "geographically connected" as somebody else said, that makes not much sense. Brazil is not far from South Africa but there is no direct flights as the countries have no cultural connection, Japan instead is on the other side of the globe but have a huge amount of nationals in Brazil and there are many flights every day from many different companies.

There is no flights at all between Japan and Brazil, São Paulo–Guarulhos to Narita in Tokyo would be 11,489 nautical miles, there no aircraft with the range to do it non-stop, such a flight would be the longest in the world, much longer than SIN-EWR currently. Even emerging new Aircraft wouldn't have the legs for it.

The cultural links between Brazil and Japan is small due to the language barrier and the Brazilian Japanese are like one of Japan's lost tribes of Israel. Over 1 million Irish went to Argentina but the link is lost due to them assimilating into Spanish Latin culture. The American's on the other hand maintain the cultural link due to language and a relative close proximity. Asia-Brazil traffic is routed via Dubai mainly by Emirates and also via Istanbul with Turkish, and Addis Ababa with Ethiopian, Royal Air Maroc serves Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paolo and provides an interesting air bridge from Brazil to the Mediterranean basin and some central European countries. Brazil has a fascinating aviation industry being roughly the same size as the lower 48 US States and with effectively no Railways even short journeys are completed by air.

Qprmeath

New 321LR Neo entering service on 2nd August

Bussywussy

Qprmeath wrote: »

New 321LR Neo entering service on 2nd August

Delivery pushed to 23rd from 19th July now,I hear it's ferrying to snn for a photo shoot off the coast so that'll probably happen the morning of 24th before going to Dublin.

kevinandrew

Bussywussy wrote: »

Qprmeath wrote: »

New 321LR Neo entering service on 2nd August

Delivery pushed to 23rd from 19th July now,I hear it's ferrying to snn for a photo shoot off the coast so that'll probably happen the morning of 24th before going to Dublin.

Has it even had its first flight yet? There’s quite a big spotter community at XFW but no photos yet, not even of taxi tests.

trellheim

To be honest I wouldn’t be surprised if at some point there was a service from Brazil to Ireland, i personally think it’s more likely to be a Brazilian airline and maybe flying 2/3 times per week

Shannon could take it if there was any demand at the moment e.g from Sao Paulo , it has the runway and theres plenty of expats in the hinterland,

problems the price point as that market is very price sensitive and happy to connect to get the lowest fares, very little up the front (IMHO )

Van.Bosch

trellheim wrote: »

Shannon could take it if there was any demand at the moment e.g from Sao Paulo , it has the runway and theres plenty of expats in the hinterland,

problems the price point as that market is very price sensitive and happy to connect to get the lowest fares, very little up the front (IMHO )

Shannon to Brazil??

alancostello

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Shannon to Brazil??

I wasn’t even going to reply. This thread makes me laugh sometimes.

theguzman

alancostello wrote: »

I wasn’t even going to reply. This thread makes me laugh sometimes.

It would have to be from Dublin, there is an estimated 100,000 Brazilians in Ireland now, almost all in Dublin and the true figure is hard to tell due to high numbers of illegals and of Dual Citizens who are here on EU (Primarily Italian or Portuguese) passports. The growth of Italian and Portuguese citizens in Ireland is actually Brazilians here who had a grandparent or great grandparent who went to Brazil during the 20th century.

alancostello

theguzman wrote: »

There is an estimated 100,000 Brazilians in Ireland now, almost all in Dublin and the true figure is hard to tell due to high numbers of illegals and of Dual Citizens who are here on EU (Primarily Italian or Portuguese) passports. The growth of Italian and Portuguese citizens in Ireland is actually Brazilians here who had a grandparent or great grandparent who went to Brazil during the 20th century.

I know that there are plenty of Brazilians in Ireland, however in actually speaking to them they have told me that they do not feel the need to go home as often as Irish ex-pats feel the calling to, every 3-5 years if even. I live in the US now and I'm home two or three times a year, they are amazed and frankly dismayed that I get home so often.

There has to be demand on both sides and unless there are secret Irish communities in Rio or Sao Paulo and Brazilians in Ireland feel the sudden urge to travel home twice a year (and pay a premium for a direct flight), there won't be an Ireland-Brazil flight in the next 5-10 years, if ever. It makes zero economic or even common sense, and marginal political sense (which is irrelevant now anyway as EI aren't publicly owned).

Locker10a

alancostello wrote: »

I wasn’t even going to reply. This thread makes me laugh sometimes.

Gort was always know as “little Brazil” due to the high Brazilian population in the area.
Gort is close to Shannon, so it’s not completely ludicrous to think an area with a traditionally higher Brazilian community may have a flight to Brazil from its nearest large airport.

L1011

The number of Brazilians in Gort has fallen since the meat plant closed and it would be a tiny fraction of the number of Brazilian tech workers and language students in Dublin

It is a ridiculously price sensitive market with virtually no business traffic from Ireland. If direct flights ever happen it'll probably be a Brazilian airline - LATAM are advertising here now. TAP are sucking up whatever more premium traffic there is now and everyone else goes whatever is cheapest.

Singer

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Shannon to Brazil??

With a Las Vegas stopover.

theguzman

Singer wrote: »

With a Las Vegas stopover.

Aer Lingus with an A350, Dublin - Bangkok - Sydney - Sao Paolo - Dublin twice weekly flight with fifth freedom rights on all sectors.

Dardania

theguzman wrote: »

Aer Lingus with an A350, Dublin - Bangkok - Sydney - Sao Paolo - Dublin twice weekly flight with fifth freedom rights on all sectors.

Some Paddy Wagon there - can you imagine the craic on that flight?!

Donegal Storm

theguzman wrote: »

It would have to be from Dublin, there is an estimated 100,000 Brazilians in Ireland now, almost all in Dublin and the true figure is hard to tell due to high numbers of illegals and of Dual Citizens who are here on EU (Primarily Italian or Portuguese) passports. The growth of Italian and Portuguese citizens in Ireland is actually Brazilians here who had a grandparent or great grandparent who went to Brazil during the 20th century.

The last census has 13k Brazilians in the whole country, even accounting for a rise since 2016 and some illegals/dual nationals the number is nowhere remotely close to 100k.

theguzman

Donegal Storm wrote: »

The last census has 13k Brazilians in the whole country, even accounting for a rise since 2016 and some illegals/dual nationals the number is nowhere remotely close to 100k.

Its a figure I heard recently, then again all latin people are lumped in as Brazilian due to Brazil being the biggest demo-graph, same as the Eastern Europeans all being lumped together as Polish. Anyway we will go back to Aer Lingus routes and it is fair to say that an Ireland - Brazil air link won't materialise anytime soon with Aer Lingus anyway.

L1011

Absolutely no set of legitimate figures has EVER done that "lumping"

JCX BXC

If 100,000 Brazilians lived in Ireland, it would make it the second biggest foreign nationality, after polish and only falling short of the amount of Brits here!

ongarboy

Looking up - Aer Lingus boss is aiming to reach new heights as carrier expands its fleet and routes

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/looking-up-aer-lingus-boss-is-aiming-to-reach-new-heights-as-carrier-expands-its-fleet-and-routes-38299933.html

In-depth article in Indo this morning about EI's new aircraft being received and possible new routes. The CEO Sean Doyle mentions Vegas so it may not be just a boards.ie pipedream...

sherology

ongarboy wrote: »

Looking up - Aer Lingus boss is aiming to reach new heights as carrier expands its fleet and routes

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/looking-up-aer-lingus-boss-is-aiming-to-reach-new-heights-as-carrier-expands-its-fleet-and-routes-38299933.html

In-depth article in Indo this morning about EI's new aircraft being received and possible new routes. The CEO Sean Doyle mentions Vegas so it may not be just a boards.ie pipedream...

And the economy seat is a Collins Aerospace seat as opposed to the recaro 3710 on the 330's. Maybe they are grey/leather as per the photo posted on twitter last week. Odd... Wonder why the change?

F

Jamie2k9

mactheknife19 wrote: »

Wondering if anyone here would have an insight into AL's 2020 timetable. I've a friend who is having a wedding in Palma in May 2020. Currently there are no flights online. Ryanair does but the scheduling does not really work (flights are out on the Thursday), but most people need to go on the Wednesday.

Maybe someone could confirm if AL even flew to Palma in May 2019, or is June the earliest.

Available now.

Tenger

ongarboy wrote: »

.......The CEO Sean Doyle mentions Vegas so it may not be just a boards.ie pipedream...

Bit of a stretch to say the CEO mentioned LAS in my opinion. No actual quote about LAS, just the journalist inferring it.
But it is true that Vegas has previously been mentioned as in the shortlist of 15-20 cities that EI are looking at.

.....Aer Lingus has also previously identified cities including Denver, Las Vegas and Vancouver as potential destinations.
............................
Doyle says his sense is that cities such as Denver and Las Vegas would require wide-body aircraft.
"I think they're big markets and there seems to be growing demand there, so they would be in the framework of what we're evaluating at the minute," he adds.
"The A330 works very, very well on the west coast markets," says the chief executive. It is also used on routes to New York and Boston.

Crock Rock

Would EI have a market to operate a route from each of the Aran Islands to Dublin (especially around Christmas time), maybe stopping in Conemara airport? I'd say there would be a market for that route, maybe I'm wrong though.

Would an ATR land on Inisheer, Inismaan or Inismore? What about an Avro? They can take off and land on a sixpence.

goingnowhere

Pure fantasy, 500m of runway?

cson

Crock Rock wrote: »

Would EI have a market to operate a route from each of the Aran Islands to Dublin (especially around Christmas time), maybe stopping in Conemara airport? I'd say there would be a market for that route, maybe I'm wrong though.

Would an ATR land on Inisheer, Inismaan or Inismore? What about an Avro? They can take off and land on a sixpence.

I think this is a joke...

There are total 1200 people on the islands. They already have a PSO service.

The growth you'll see in the EI route network will almost certainly come entirely from North America. Not Brazil. Not the Aran Islands. Not Bangkok. The airline has a fleet of 49 aircraft, all of which are at the upper end of the utilization scale.