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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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namloc1980

Councillors give 2 fingers to public transport. The NTA might get around to it in about 20 years going by the CMATS timescales.

AugustusMinimus

Limerick74 wrote: »

@corkcitycouncil: Wilton bus corridor Part 8 project voted down by Elected Members: 16 no vs. 8 yes.. #corkcc

Do we have a split on councillors?

Rhys Essien

Huge news this morning. OCP are after buying 31 acres of the South Docks for €47m. Things could really kick on now. Possibly a new tower on the way also.

okedoke

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Huge news this morning. OCP are after buying 31 acres of the South Docks for €47m. Things could really kick on now. Possibly a new tower on the way also.

Where’s that site?

Nigel Fairservice

Looks to be Odlums and R&H Hall area.

Pablo Escobar

okedoke wrote: »

Where’s that site?

I haven't seen the exact location, but it's cited as "South Cork Docklands". The sale is by Origin Enterprises so that may be an indicator. I don't know where they have a site down there.

EDIT: Nigel got in before me and with more info

MrDerp

okedoke wrote: »

Where’s that site?

Odlums and R&H hall along Kennedy key as far as but not including Franciscan well brewery, I believe. Basically next big chunk of waterfront.

Previous docklands development plan indicated a preference to fill block by block, so this would be the next site for strategic development as the Navigation Square block fills up.

Definite statement of intent and could easily land a thousand apartments down here with a boardwalk extension

kub

Nigel Fairservice wrote: »

Looks to be Odlums and R&H Hall area.

Here is more on it:

https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/property/major-development-corks-docks-landmark-16553275?fbclid=IwAR17zarXMjRsNyowhsCWJjL7AFAa5MvTAHIDV38rLVHCBtK5q2GQRSbyHjE

okedoke

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Huge news this morning. OCP are after buying 31 acres of the South Docks for €47m. Things could really kick on now. Possibly a new tower on the way also.

Where’s that site?

namloc1980

Excellent news. Need sustainable transport down that neck of the woods now. Although based on last night's performance by the councillors on the Wilton farce, public transport is way down the priority list.

hans aus dtschl

namloc1980 wrote: »

Excellent news. Need sustainable transport down that neck of the woods now. Although based on last night's performance by the councillors on the Wilton farce, public transport is way down the priority list.

Need moar cars.

AugustusMinimus

namloc1980 wrote: »

Excellent news. Need sustainable transport down that neck of the woods now. Although based on last night's performance by the councillors on the Wilton farce, public transport is way down the priority list.

I’m interested in finding out how Councillors voted, especially our Green Party representatives.

namloc1980

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

I’m interested in finding out how Councillors voted, especially our Green Party representatives.

Greens and SF voted for it. FFG and independents against.

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cgcsb

South docks are ideal for high rise, their shadows would be cast on the Lee, and the fish can't object.

questionmark?

cgcsb wrote: »

South docks are ideal for high rise, their shadows would be cast on the Lee, and the fish can't object.

An Taisce will! Ruin the vista's of the historic R&H building or something!

Great that it's OCP as they usually mean business.

Captainsatnav

cgcsb wrote: »

South docks are ideal for high rise, their shadows would be cast on the Lee, and the fish can't object.

chalkitdown1

Great news about Kennedy quay development. That whole area is an absolute hole at the moment. Badly needs development.

snotboogie

Kennedy Quay is the site in the Cork Docklands, even more so than the Port of Cork and Tivoli, really exciting to see

Captainsatnav

that's it. I'm moving to Cork. Taking a punt on the place becoming a decent, place with amenities.

Markcheese

MrDerp wrote: »

Odlums and R&H hall along Kennedy key as far as but not including Franciscan well brewery, I believe. Basically next big chunk of waterfront.

Previous docklands development plan indicated a preference to fill block by block, so this would be the next site for strategic development as the Navigation Square block fills up.

Definite statement of intent and could easily land a thousand apartments down here with a boardwalk extension

Isn't most of that Quay (at least the bit right on the water,) on concrete stilts already?

leahyl

Great news but from the examiner article there seems like there's going to be a lot of conditions attached to building there? Would these conditions be minor or could it end up delaying any plans that OCP have?

Markcheese

namloc1980 wrote: »

Excellent news. Need sustainable transport down that neck of the woods now. Although based on last night's performance by the councillors on the Wilton farce, public transport is way down the priority list.

Let's hope that the development includes a bridge across to the railway station, it's not everything but itd be a start.

namloc1980

Markcheese wrote: »

Let's hope that the development includes a bridge across to the railway station, it's not everything but itd be a start.

There won't be a bridge anyway. That would be public infrastructure and as we've seen public transport/infrastructure projects in Cork are non-existent. Thankfully the private sector continue to invest but Cork has been long abandoned from a large scale public transport infrastructure perspective.

Dbu

This is great news on the dockland development
Only walked down there the other evening for a wander
I suppose other large sites like the southern milling gang must be sitting on a goldmine and will be moving as well in time?

hans aus dtschl

leahyl wrote: »

Great news but from the examiner article there seems like there's going to be a lot of conditions attached to building there? Would these conditions be minor or could it end up delaying any plans that OCP have?

Conditions should not be anything too strange.
The whole area is supposed to be working to a general master plan and OCP have access to that, so they should be able to design with these in mind.

I imagine the city will push for very little parking etc.

namloc1980

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

I imagine the city will push for very little parking etc.

While opposing public transport measures. And government will continue to ignore the absolute necessity to accelerate the timelines to implement CMATS immediately!

On another note where exactly are the South Docks and Tivoli Local Area Plans at. Weren't they supposed to be published last year.

snotboogie

Dbu wrote: »

This is great news on the dockland development
Only walked down there the other evening for a wander
I suppose other large sites like the southern milling gang must be sitting on a goldmine and will be moving as well in time?

Southern Milling is on this site right? As each development is built and filled up the value will increase downstream. The marquee/ford site was bought by Glenveagh for 15 million and there is talk of them building 1,000 apartments on site, it's gone quiet over the last year though. The ESB site is in process of closing down and will almost certainly be sold on for development. I'm not sure who owns the Franciscan Well brewery land but I imagine that they will be moved on if these developments actually happen. One thing you can be sure of is that any site which rely's on public investment will be the last to be completed, so expect Tivoli to be done sometime around 2150 about a century or so after the rest of docklands are done.

opus

Hopefully the old Odlums building will get redeveloped as it could be fantastic. Definitely worth preserving unlike the Sextant

(imho)

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marno21

namloc1980 wrote: »

While opposing public transport measures. And government will continue to ignore the absolute necessity to accelerate the timelines to implement CMATS immediately!

On another note where exactly are the South Docks and Tivoli Local Area Plans at. Weren't they supposed to be published last year.

The two LAPs have stiil not been published. It was assumed that the Docklands Tower would not go for planning until the South Docks LAP was published, which still hasn't happened.

Now that the development has moved east of Albert Quay it's paramount they are published. Along with advancements of the Docklands road infrastructure (lol)

namloc1980

marno21 wrote: »

The two LAPs have stiil not been published. It was assumed that the Docklands Tower would not go for planning until the South Docks LAP was published, which still hasn't happened.

Now that the development has moved east of Albert Quay it's paramount they are published. Along with advancements of the Docklands road infrastructure (lol)

Find an article from the Examiner dated June 2017 saying the LAPs would be published in February 2018. :pac: