Changes in the GAA - super thread

Jaden wrote: »

As I said, it appears to have an extremely limited scope of discussion.

In fairness, it is regularly discussed on gaa podcasts. The gaa hour for example have done several pieces on it. I know dubs dont like colm parkinson (because instead of paying homage to them, he just tells the truth), but most of his pundits are respected gaa players from up and down the country, and they agree with him.
Off the ball have done numerous pieces too, and half of those lads are plastic dubs

Jaden wrote: »

As I said, it appears to have an extremely limited scope of discussion.

:rolleyes:

On practically every major forum in Ireland there is at least one thread on financial doping in Dublin.

Every significant news outlet has covered the story, and where comments are allowed, there are usually countless comments about it.

That's not to mention wider social media such as twitter and facebook.

So how you can say "its only a relatively small number of people" or words to that effect is beyond me. Its just more of the usual denial of the truth and facts Dublin supporters are becoming famous for.

Jaden

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

There's countless threads on the subject on Hoganstand alone.

You only have to google "financial doping hoganstand"

As I said, it appears to have an extremely limited scope of discussion.

blanch152 wrote: »

Apart from a few journalists on a crusade and a handful of people on these threads, I have to say that it never comes up when I am talking to ordinary GAA people. Even when talking to mentors and parents at Feile, or other club trips, the talk is never about financial doping

Going by your responses on here, it is not really any surprise that they dont speak to you about dublin...

As for this thing about a 'handful of journalists on a crusade', i would say that every single journalist, outside of the vinnie murphy crew, have addressed this point at some stage in the last few years. The only guys i seen who were not stating it is a problem is a couple of kerry lads who are just trying run with the horse and the hound. It is the most talked about topic in the gaa today.

Jaden wrote: »

Outside of a very limited number of forums and threads, literally no-one has ever spoken with me about "financial doping".

There's countless threads on the subject on Hoganstand alone.

You only have to google "financial doping hoganstand"

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

The "Newbridge or Nowhere" saga revealed that a county like Kildare if given home advantage can give a good performance. Now it mightn't be enough to beat Dublin but they still should have the option to play Dublin in the championship in their home ground if they want.

Most Mayo fans couldn't make that game and yes it probably cost the GAA a few bob, as would any Leinster championship game outside Croke Park, although less so in recent years.

The issue is though, Leinster counties should not be threatened with a reduction in funds if they don't play Dublin in Croke Pak. There needs to be better ring fencing of monies, or better redistribution of money.

Dublin having all their games in Croke Park or at worst a neutral venue is inherently unfair to other Leinster teams.

Your issue here is with who decided where games are played. It was years of get Dublin out of Croke park. Now it’s out of neutral venues (which I assume are due to capacity issues but open to correction) along with neutral game shouldn’t be in Croke park despite it specifically stated as it is in Croke park. Dublin don’t have more votes than anyone else on this matter.

Jaden

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Yes, everybody.

You Dubs need to get out more, or get outside Dublin more. There's more to life than the pro Dublin echo chamber you inhabit.

Outside of a very limited number of forums and threads, literally no-one has ever spoken with me about "financial doping".

I think there is a case to be made for saying that this specific thread is an echo-chamber.

Fann Linn wrote: »

Everybody?

Yes, everybody.

You Dubs need to get out more, or get outside Dublin more. There's more to life than the pro Dublin echo chamber you inhabit.

Fann Linn

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

You have to be having a laugh with this bit. Everyone in the country is talking about it.

As for the Feile, etc, they mightn't say it to your face, but you can be sure they say it behind your back.

Everybody?

blanch152 wrote: »

Apart from a few journalists on a crusade and a handful of people on these threads, I have to say that it never comes up when I am talking to ordinary GAA people. Even when talking to mentors and parents at Feile, or other club trips, the talk is never about financial doping, in fact many of them bemoan their own club and county spending on things that don’t matter, a particular chorus in a recent visit to Cork.

You have to be having a laugh with this bit. Everyone in the country is talking about it.

As for the Feile, etc, they mightn't say it to your face, but you can be sure they say it behind your back.

blanch152

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Question to the dubliners on this thread

Do you realise the anger and frustration among rest of the gaa public over the financial doping?

Do you realise a big proportion of the gaa public have little or no respect for Dublin’s achievements over the last few years due to the financial doping?

I think Dublin are in serious denial about it all.

Apart from a few journalists on a crusade and a handful of people on these threads, I have to say that it never comes up when I am talking to ordinary GAA people. Even when talking to mentors and parents at Feile, or other club trips, the talk is never about financial doping, in fact many of them bemoan their own club and county spending on things that don’t matter, a particular chorus in a recent visit to Cork.

When you see posters on this thread who post more about Dublin than they do about their own county, you see how delusional some of them are.

Anyway, as Laois beat the senior hurlers, and Kildare beat the minor footballers, all talk of world dominance must be over for another year. You will be telling us next we are spending the money wrong because it isn’t guaranteeing inter-county success, even though we keep telling you it is for mass participation

The "Newbridge or Nowhere" saga revealed that a county like Kildare if given home advantage can give a good performance. Now it mightn't be enough to beat Dublin but they still should have the option to play Dublin in the championship in their home ground if they want.

Most Mayo fans couldn't make that game and yes it probably cost the GAA a few bob, as would any Leinster championship game outside Croke Park, although less so in recent years.

The issue is though, Leinster counties should not be threatened with a reduction in funds if they don't play Dublin in Croke Pak. There needs to be better ring fencing of monies, or better redistribution of money.

Dublin having all their games in Croke Park or at worst a neutral venue is inherently unfair to other Leinster teams.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Question to the dubliners on this thread

Do you realise the anger and frustration among rest of the gaa public over the financial doping?

Do you realise a big proportion of the gaa public have little or no respect for Dublin’s achievements over the last few years due to the financial doping?

I think Dublin are in serious denial about it all.

My own belief is they are fully aware of it but they just dont want to admit it or entertain that discussion. They are generally well capable of such observations when it is other counties under the microscope so I dont buy this kind of collective ignorance spiel they push on this topic. I mean how could anyone not be aware of the improvement of quality in the players they are now producing compared to before they got all that cash? It's the most obvious thing in football today. They seem to be aping what the gaa president is doing, but they would do well to see how his response has been derided in all quarters. He has lost a lot of respect.

They seem to just want to keep winning in the here and now, but in years to come that will come back to haunt them. Their greatest team wont be remembered for their great football, but rather what it took to get them winning something. Maybe they are just drunk on the success of it all?

Beechwoodspark

Question to the dubliners on this thread

Do you realise the anger and frustration among rest of the gaa public over the financial doping?

Do you realise a big proportion of the gaa public have little or no respect for Dublin’s achievements over the last few years due to the financial doping?

I think Dublin are in serious denial about it all.

kilns wrote: »

On a side note, do counties like Mayo and Kilkenny equally split their development funding resources between hurling and football?

No they dont. But the downside of that is they dont get to compete in the other sport. If they want to choose to make that sacrifice then that is their decision. It only affects themselves.

Not that either county need to explain themselves to the handout kings in the capital...

kilns wrote: »

If Dublin did not receive a penny of funding would we still have had Cluxton, Cooper, McCarthy, OSullivan, McCaffrey, Fenton, Brogan, Costello, Flynn, Connolly, Kilkenny, Mannion - yes we would

Has it not occurred to you that without that elite coaching, paid for by the rest of the country, throughout their developmental years, that these lads might not actually be as good as they are today?
Furthermore, would they all be playing football without all this extra funding invested? Or would for example, mannion have stuck with the soccer?
People talking about a golden generation of dublin players cant see the wood from the trees. For a start, they are from several different generations. Secondly, all mentioned bar brogan and cluxton, would have utilised these coaches. Its not a golden generation, it is in fact undeniable proof that the money is making a difference to the quality of players that dublin are able to produce..

Who was it telling us the Dublin hurlers are dining at the top table?

Beechwoodspark

kilns wrote: »

I am saying for the current team the funding was not a factor, the funding has helped clubs attract more children and for new clubs and areas where no children have previously been reached to be able now to be reached and brought into the game

If the funding is to have an impact it will be long term and you will see I would estimate in 5 to 10 years, however, if you look at under age success as a barometer than so far you could argue that funding is not directly related to success

Delusion stuff.

Dots1982 wrote: »

Jesus i don’t know. Seems a jump entirely to call it a non-runner. Having a different minimum 30k capacity stadium for all our cities, one for GAA and one for other codes seems more a non-runner.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_non-Gaelic_games_played_in_Croke_Park

I’m not saying it’s physically not possible but I don’t see any way Leinster who are the only other sports team in need of that size stadia would get involved in a stadium that wouldn’t suit their sport. Rugby supporters complained about the distance from the pitch in Croke park as it was just too far. They also don’t need a stadium as their own is being expanded to what they need soon anyway and if they grow again to a stage where they need 30,000 regularly they’ll just move to the aviva.

Dots1982

Jesus i don’t know. Seems a jump entirely to call it a non-runner. Having a different minimum 30k capacity stadium for all our cities, one for GAA and one for other codes seems more a non-runner.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_non-Gaelic_games_played_in_Croke_Park

Dots1982 wrote: »

Is there a pitch already in place that can’t be expanded?

Jesus, if you’re just saying that they have different pitch sizes so they can’t accommodate both it then it’s pretty small minded thinking.

Plenty of European stadiums host both soccer and rugby/rugby league.

Yes but GAA pitches are substantially bigger than rugby and soccer pitches. It kills atmosphere when the pitch is so far from the fans. Rugby and soccer can comfortably share grounds but Leinster rugby aren’t going to want to share a pitch that means the sidelines are an extra 10 or 15 meters from the crowd.

Dots1982

salmocab wrote: »

Pitch dimensions make that a non runner.

Is there a pitch already in place that can’t be expanded?

Jesus, if you’re just saying that they have different pitch sizes so they can’t accommodate both it then it’s pretty small minded thinking.

Plenty of European stadiums host both soccer and rugby/rugby league.

Dots1982 wrote: »

Ideally Dublin GAA would join up with a soccer team in the capital or Leinster Rugby and it would become a stadium that both could use. Unfortunately that probably won’t happen as Domestic soccer is too small time. Maybe Leinster rugby would be interested but they have Anglesey road and the Aviva from big games so don’t need it.

That’s how it works in normal cities but unfortunately in Ireland, stadium sharing between codes is a complicated issue.

If I was a Dermot Desmond or some Irish billionaire I would be very interested in the idea of building a soccer franchise in Dublin to compete in the UK leagues. A city of Dublin’s size with a love of sport and the premier and Scottish league deserves a proper elite soccer team.

It won’t happen in the next ten years but long term I wouldn’t say it will never happen.

Pitch dimensions make that a non runner.

digzy

Know it's not strictly what this threads about but the helmets need to be redesigned.

Ive seen so many dental injuries over the years caused by malficience. Think 4 extra bars on the lower half of the helmet would put a stop to this without hampering vision.

Alternatively, I wonder is it possible to make a clear Perspex type cover for the face mask to protect the eyes.

Don't think these measures are necessary in most cases but there's a rump of scumbags who commit these assaults and the costs/ recuperation are shocking.

Dots1982

salmocab wrote: »

Whilst I don’t really care about the games out of Croke park what size stadium do you think Dublin should build? A 30,000 on the spawell site was talked about and that would be great but it would seem like a massive waste of money to build a stadium that’s only needed 5 or 6 times a year. The hurlers don’t need much more than Parnell park can hold so it’s only needed for 3 or 4 home league games for the footballers and maybe 2 or 3 championship games between the footballers and hurlers. Obviously the hurlers would move in but it wouldn’t be needed. This would cost millions and it would only be built to stop people moaning about the dubs in Croke park. That just seems a waste to me.

Ideally Dublin GAA would join up with a soccer team in the capital or Leinster Rugby and it would become a stadium that both could use. Unfortunately that probably won’t happen as Domestic soccer is too small time. Maybe Leinster rugby would be interested but they have Anglesey road and the Aviva from big games so don’t need it.

That’s how it works in normal cities but unfortunately in Ireland, stadium sharing between codes is a complicated issue.

If I was a Dermot Desmond or some Irish billionaire I would be very interested in the idea of building a soccer franchise in Dublin to compete in the UK leagues. A city of Dublin’s size with a love of sport and the premier and Scottish league deserves a proper elite soccer team.

It won’t happen in the next ten years but long term I wouldn’t say it will never happen.