Padraig Mor wrote: » Last I looked (although I acknowledge it's been a while), for all the blather about cycling commute journeys in Copenhagen, their proportion, while doubtless very substantial by most cities' standards, was still lower than that of private cars in the city. Your post also shows the fallacy of comparing City X to City Y etc - having been lucky enough to visit Copenhagen last year (and a very pleasant city it is indeed), it's hardly comparable to Cork in these terms - it's chock full a wide boulevards with plenty of space to put in cycle lanes, with most roads simply having a lot more space available than Cork's boreens. I also believe that Copenhagen has a much greater proportion of people living within the city centre itself than Irish cities, thus making cycle commutes a realistic option for greater numbers. With current demographics, cycling is, and will remain, suitable for a small minority of commuters in Cork. Unfortunately, these people tend to be very vocal and over represented on planning bodies etc. I've said it before - if you want to really tackle commuter car congestion in Cork, put in a 'ring' of park and ride facilities with high quality, frequent public transport into the city - hell, put a Coke bike station at each of them too. THEN we can begin to look at 'stigmatising' car drivers - unfortunately 'the stick' rather than the carrot is the lazy, moribund refrain that we constantly hear from the anti car brigade who are more motivated by their own selfish self interest rather than genuine solutions which would help the entire community.
cgcsb wrote: » Copenhagen has now achieved 40% of commutes by bike and their infrastructure isn't fancy.
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » Can you imagine the city if we had a few Healy-rae types working together as a political block/party for the region in the Oireachtas.
namloc1980 wrote: » Thankfully the private sector are continuing to invest in our city with some much needed developments. But I do fear that the private sector will be ultimately constrained by poor public infrastructure and those developments will dry up once the easily developed sites get competed. I mean you'd be off your rocker to develop any further down the docklands at this point given the lack of infrastructure (Eastern Gateway Bridge first proposed c.20 years ago / MAYBE a Luas line in c.20 years). Coveney and Martin have been utterly useless for Cork.
Padraig Mor wrote: » Surely we should be improving transport for all road users, especially those on public transport? Cycling is only suitable for a small minority of private commuters - why should their wish list be ranked above public transport? Why should a proportionally much greater amount of money be spent facilitating the lifestyle choices of this small number of people than is spent on providing decent public transport for all?
bladebrew wrote: » More information on the Dunkettle interchange upgrade, The goverment are holding up work due to spiralling costs!https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/100m-upgrade-to-cork-city-traffic-blackspot-in-peril-934891.html Why can't I add links anymore?!
hans aus dtschl wrote: » Lol what do you suggest: removing all cars from Wilton road? A reminder , the hierarchy of use is pedestrian>cycle>bus>private motors.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Because there will be a wall/pillar/hedge blocking their view up the road. Reversing out of a tight driveway is always dangerous. When you drive out forward your window normally clears sight line obstructions before your bonnet enters the carriageway. Reversing generally has your boot out on the road before you have a clear line of sight.
olearydc wrote: » Locals have a car, maybe 2 if both folks or working...maybe 3 if they have working kids...maybe like you, maybe not...but not like the 7 you mention. Ain't precious but dont think I can help someone who thinks those folks have 7 cars each... Just my opinion....
olearydc wrote: » I actully thought we were having balanced/fair chat If you cant see their view - - fair enough Saying stuff like that when its not true..seems like you just want to casue friction Shame
hans aus dtschl wrote: » Are you talking about removing the car lanes and putting in pedestrian, bike & bus only? That will not be popular with locals, some of whom currently drive 7 cars a day.
quietsailor wrote: » Yes, yes it is. BUT now that the city (and Ireland in general ) is that way you cannot remove access to car ownership and use until the alternatives are put in place. No one has suggested alternatives to this plan. Secondly, this plan is supposed to reduce congestion, yet a large majority of the cars using this road are coming in from way outside the city, this plan wont remove congestion as there is no way to change transport for those drivers. This money would be better spent putting park and rides far out, for example next to the agricultural grounds on the Ballincollig bypass, and have regular busses to the city. Next congestion charges And only then think of this plan. Why spend all this money if you can remove the vast majority of the cars using this road. Remember you still have Dennehys cross, Victoria Cross and the roads closer in to the city. What land can they take there to widen the road, all this does is shove the cars further in before they bottle neck. It does nothing overall for the city's air quality. We need to remove the cars from the city to improve air quality and this plan doesn't provide that
hans aus dtschl wrote: » Thanks for making the point: that's exactly one of the biggest issues in the city area. Private car use is off the wall completely for a modern city.
hans aus dtschl wrote: » I don't think that's unreasonable, but I certainly don't have enough room to turn a car on my property. In fact most people I know don't have enough room for that. I certainly don't think it's the default / standard. To be clear, I do believe they should be correctly reimbursed through CPO. But the weeping and gnashing of teeth over the loss of ability to turn your car on your property goes a little too far for me. The people with genuine gardens is a different story. But that's much less than 20% of the overall affected. To my mind they deserve the greatest CPO.
olearydc wrote: » Yap, again correct Best to reverse in if they had to and had no choice Even better, easier, faster to drive and in and do a uturn on their own car park If you get my drift
sheff_ wrote: » Yes, but the wilton road people will have a bus lane to reverse in from which would carry less traffic than Glasheen Road. 20/30 seconds delay for someone to back in shouldn’t be a big issue. More and more it seems gardens/shrubs/bees etc is just a gimmick and all this is about is whether someone’s 3rd/4th/5th parking space in front of a house on a major road is the most important thing.
sheff_ wrote: » What’s yet to be mentioned too is the much needed widening of the footpaths under this plan. At present southbound is a disaster for pedestrians, cyclists and bus users, but feck it, people need all this parking at the front door.
hans aus dtschl wrote: » Exactly, you should always reverse in to your parking space, as is the rule on most sites I visit.
olearydc wrote: » you are Totally right, there will be more space before they hit the traffic and hopefully cyclist coming up will see them We have all done it.... But I think we know that it is easier And safer to drive out of your drive going forward
Deleted User wrote: » If people are living in Wilton, working in CUH and walking to work, then it does not matter if they have a car parked in the garden for out of hours use though, no? Even when I had the LUAS I still had a car to get me to training/matches, back to Cork and such. I was not contributing to traffic chaos in the morning/evening but still needed a car for other activities not supported by public transport.
olearydc wrote: » It is a lot of space, when you have no parking on a road, anywhere - -you really do need it...once that land is taking away, some folks wont be able to get 1 car to turn around There are a few student accomandation places around but many are family homes
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » You get the odd car reversing in, holds up the show a lot. In fairness, Glasheen rd is a lot less busy, has some on street parking (in parts) , more side streets with parking, and the gardens are about 10" to 6' long.
hans aus dtschl wrote: » By backing out on to the main road, you of course mean backing out onto a footpath, then cycle lane, then bus lane, then the main road. For clarity.
