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DubInMeath wrote: »

The U.S., Australia and many others

How do you become a citizen of Australia?

Blueshoe wrote: »

How do you become a citizen of Australia?

Emigrate legally, stay 5 years, apply for citizenship.

Kimsang

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Emigrate legally, stay 5 years, apply for citizenship.

How do you overstay the 2 year visa? You mean get a working visa?

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Emigrate legally, stay 5 years, apply for citizenship.

Oh I didn't know that.

So anyone can just apply for a visa? Permanent residency I presume?

Kimsang wrote: »

How do you overstay the 2 year visa? You mean get a working visa?

Apply for permanent residency under one of the routes that allow it.

http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=How+to+become+an+Australian+citizen

Blueshoe wrote: »

Oh I didn't know that.

So anyone can just apply for a visa? Permanent residency I presume?

Not just anybody. you have to meet skills requirements.

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Blueshoe wrote: »

How do you become a citizen of Australia?

Kimsang wrote: »

How do you overstay the 2 year visa? You mean get a working visa?

Get sponsored I presume. The company sponsoring the applicant must show that there are no suitable native candidates for the same job . Hence having to sponsor someone from overseas

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Not just anybody. you have to meet skills requirements.

Exactly you have to meet skills requirements which we don't but should have here in Ireland. Anyone can rock up to Ireland such as asylum seekers, forgein language students etc. Without any way of deporting or sending them home if they overstay their visa or entered the country illegally in the first place.

Stephen15 wrote: »

Exactly you have to meet skills requirements which we don't but should have here in Ireland. Anyone can rock up to Ireland such as asylum seekers, forgein language students etc. Without any way of deporting or sending them home if they overstay their visa or entered the country illegally in the first place.

Nothing wrong with a bit of common sense

Annasopra

Stephen15 wrote: »

Exactly you have to meet skills requirements which we don't but should have here in Ireland. Anyone can rock up to Ireland such as asylum seekers, forgein language students etc. Without any way of deporting or sending them home if they overstay their visa or entered the country illegally in the first place.

Stop lying. We don't have mass uncontrolled immigration in Ireland. We have an immigration system that is controlled through the Department of Justice.

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Stop lying. We don't have mass uncontrolled immigration in Ireland. We have an immigration system that is controlled through the Department of Justice.

I don't think you can emigrate to Australia to sit on social welfare and wait for a house. Most come here to work hard and make a life for themselves but not all .

Would you agree?

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Stop lying. We don't have mass uncontrolled immigration in Ireland. We have an immigration system that is controlled through the Department of Justice.

Well they're obivously not doing a good enough job at controlling it or at least as good a job as the Australian governement are

Stephen15 wrote: »

Well they're obivously not doing a good enough job at controlling it or at least as good a job as the Australian governement are

australia control theirs by shipping asylum seekers to offshore islands.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

australia control theirs by shipping asylum seekers to offshore islands.

They broke the law they tried to enter Austrailia ILLEGALLY so they should face the consequences for their actions. Asylum seekers in Ireland are doing the exact same thing but are allowed stay despite entering the country illegally.

Stephen15 wrote: »

They broke the law they tried to enter Austrailia ILLEGALLY so they should face the consequences for their actions. Asylum seekers in Ireland are doing the exact same thing but are allowed stay despite entering the country illegally.

claiming asylum is not illegal.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

australia control theirs by shipping asylum seekers to offshore islands.

Those are the ones that apply for asylum. They are sent to Nauru or Christmas Island
The ones coming over on boats similar to those in the Mediterranean are met by the navy who will force the boats to turn around. By force if necessary.

They don't hide that fact either.
It's a great system

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

claiming asylum is not illegal.

Entering the country without the correct documents is.

Stephen15 wrote: »

Entering the country without the correct documents is.

they ones they ship to the islands are asylum seekers.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

they ones they ship to the islands are asylum seekers.

It's not illegal to apply for asylum but it is illegal to attempt to enter a country without the correct documentation. Illegals apply for asylum hence making them legal until their case is heard.

Stephen15 wrote: »

It's not illegal to apply for asylum but it is illegal to attempt to enter a country without the correct documentation. Illegals apply for asylum hence making them legal until their case is heard.

and until their case is heard they just lock them up. unsurprisingly you dont have an issue with locking up somebody who hasn't broken any laws.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and until their case is heard they just lock them up. unsurprisingly you dont have an issue with locking up somebody who hasn't broken any laws.

What would you do with them instead of locking them up?

I don't see the problem with sending asylum seekers to islands is either. They are free to withdraw their case for asylum and return home. If their cases are genuine they remain in the holding centres on the islands I'm sure if you got a good dose of torture or you life was genuinely in danger (which the majority of asylum seekers are not) you wouldn't be complaining about the conditions.

Blueshoe wrote: »

What would you do with them instead of locking them up?

treat them like human beings? its a crazy idea i know.

Blueshoe wrote: »

What would you do with them instead of locking them up?

I'm sure if their genuinely running for their lives all they would want is basic human needs like food and shelter

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

treat them like human beings? its a crazy idea i know.

You need to expand on that.
What exactly would you do with them?

Treat th like humans could mean anything

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

treat them like human beings? its a crazy idea i know.

They are being treated like human beings where's your evidence their not?