Cork Trucker wrote: » Is that by the bottom of John st where it meets Cathedral Walk?
lostinsuperfunk wrote: » I agree that it seems to be near-impossible to build any medium-rise, let alone high-rise, buildings outside the city centre. The opposition to the student apartments at the Lough cites that they are 'high rise', but they are only four storeys high! But we need this type of development, the high rises in the city centre won't be sufficient.
Markcheese wrote: » Weirdly there's a good few rural crossroad villages with apartment buildings (or sites with appartment planning), while no one builds appartments in towns or urban areas..https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/site-at-cois-na-curra-lisgoold-midleton-cork/4337362 Versus new houses being built in Midleton Town (near a train) which are 2 storey...
Deleted User wrote: » Watergrasshill has this on the cross, off the motorway.https://www.google.com/maps/@52.010569,-8.3455391,3a,75y,84.99h,89.95t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szAd2QhqSI5xcsRC3dVPq4g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 To me this one is an eyesore, it's just pug ugly and looks really out of place. Now if they had made some effort in the external design, maybe it would not be such a distraction. Plenty of greenfield sites all around to build, and still be in 2-3 minute walking distance to the village to put proper apartment buildings
opus wrote: » I've looked at that more than once & always meant to check out what it was, is it apartments? Agree it does look out of place but I don't mind its look personally.
Deleted User wrote: » It's not ugly in an urban setting. In a sleepy enough village centre?? Aesthetics will be influenced by setting. Yeah, I thought that they were putting in office space or small business units when they were building but looks to just be apartments. I'll double check later this evening, when I am jogging past. The reason it's also relevant to this city thread is that these were built to access the motorway. Anyone living here is probably working in the city and commuting in. If we are going to have apartments (even small developments like this) start up in the northern commuter villages it puts more pressure on the requirement for the NRR.
"Orla wrote: If we were to decide tomorrow that every vacant site in Dublin could have a high-rise vacant tower on it, the knock-on effect would be enormous. We would see land values skyrocket in those locations. We would see developers in a long process of looking for approval and finance… [And] if you suddenly put 1,000 families in one building, where do their children go to school? That may not have been planned for.
munstermagic11 wrote: » Quote: "Orla If we were to decide tomorrow that every vacant site in Dublin could have a high-rise vacant tower on it, the knock-on effect would be enormous. We would see land values skyrocket in those locations. We would see developers in a long process of looking for approval and finance… [And] if you suddenly put 1,000 families in one building, where do their children go to school? That may not have been planned for. What a total sensationalist. Who is claiming to utilize every vacant site for high rise? A 1000 families? The Elysian has about 200 apartments, and they wouldn’t all be families. So what size structures is she talking about?
[Deleted User] wrote: » I don't think that she's saying every site must be.
[Deleted User] wrote: » The Elysian is quite small, to be frank. Double that height and even if you end up with 300 kids in the building, where do they go to school locally (without needing cars, the whole point of city living)
munstermagic11 wrote: » Nobody is saying it must be. It’s a total red herring to suggest it.
munstermagic11 wrote: » The Elysian is our 2nd tallest building, so at the moment, far from quite small. She suggested 1000 families, not 300 kids. It was total hyperbole on her part, not fitting of someone who is advising on developments (which of course discussions on schools are entirely valid).
[Deleted User] wrote: » There is a lot more to high density than public transport is the point, and you are intentionally ignoring that fact. As does most governmental development plans it seems
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » It might "seem" that way, but its not. Local development plans provide for all aspects of the area, including schools and transport, but elements are delivered by different bodies. Usually however, resedential developers are able to turn around their development than respective central departments. Schools should be a function of the relevant local authority, use development contributions to fund the cost.The adage "build it and they will come" is more often, "we've come, now build it"
[Deleted User] wrote: » What are you talking about?
[Deleted User] wrote: » Our 2nd tallest building is still quite short, in high rise terms.
[Deleted User] wrote: » And it is hyperbole but valid to prove a point.
munstermagic11 wrote: » It was total hyperbole on her part, not fitting of someone who is advising on developments (which of course discussions on schools are entirely valid[b/]).
munstermagic11 wrote: » It’s very very simple. Nobody is asking that every vacant site in Dublin could have a high-rise vacant tower. It’s a ridiculous statement for her to make for her own personal argument. Can’t make that more simple for you.
munstermagic11 wrote: » Yes, but in an Irish context, which is what’s being discussed, it’s not.
munstermagic11 wrote: » She’s supposed to be a professional, she shouldn't need a ridiculous hyperbole to make a point.
munstermagic11 wrote: » Yet you intentionally ignore the fact that I didn’t mention public transport, and did say there may be issues to be addressed with high rise.
[Deleted User] wrote: » I'll make it simple for you, she is not proposing that.
munstermagic11 wrote: » I didn’t say she was. She suggested others were. How are you continuing to spin this into words that I’m not using. Ignore list time when someone has to repeatedly make stuff up.
[Deleted User] wrote: » And that is the whole point. There is no proof at all that the councils (government) have any plans for city centre schools. When was the last large city based school built, by the state, in Cork? They will scramble and prefab it, once density has been exceeded.
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » You'd have to read the Cork Development plan, and correlate to potential pupil demand from CSO. There hasnt been much (family) population growth in the inner city of late. Families want the back garden and trampoline, Ballincollig and Carrigaline etc.. I'd (complete guess) say theres actual capacity in the inner city, pupils is the shortage.https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/ireland/north-mon-parents-vow-to-chain-themselves-to-school-gates-258618.html
[Deleted User] wrote: » OK do me one favour, because I know that I would get it wrong. List the non fee paying schools in the city centre (even immediate surrounds), even a rough guess. I say non fee paying as private schools like Pres are oversubscribed and not really open to local needs anyway Families may WANT the trampoline but, from my experience of apartment living, families will live where they can afford
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » Ive no idea! Start with primary though i reckon. Hence all the commuters from the satellite towns. Apt. living isnt as attractive to irish families as on the continent, unless social housing.
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