ToBeFrank123 wrote: » Numerous Players of the year, numerous multiple All Star winners, number 1 shot stopper in Clarke, 1-8 probably the best in the country for a couple of years, some pretty decent midfielders such as Parsons, and decent forwards who blow hot and cold. Never say die without talent won't get you far. As for the more general point, we'd all like to see Dublin compete without the massively inflated funding they receive. Then we can talk about greatness and legacy and all that. At the moment all people are talking about is their advantages, both natural and artificially created. Its a shame really and its more of the GAAs creation than Dublins, although they are understandably reluctant to decline the funds.
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » Ah FFS, you're taking the p*ss now. Many of these Mayo players are among the greatest to ever play the game and undoubtedly would have won a couple of AIs if not faced by the current Dublin team, a Dublin team claimed as GOAT by Dublin fans, yet just about scraped past a supposedly weak/average Mayo team on a number of occasions.
kilns wrote: » Ok I have huge respect for that Mayo team but we all know the player of the year and all stars are a joke. No point having a goalkeeper who cant kick a ball out, 1-8 best in country I am sorry but no, again Higgins and Keegan are the only two who will be remembered as great players none of the rest will be. I challenge you to name another who outside of Mayo will be remembered in 20 years saying he was top player. They were a team better than the sum of their parts but being honest they were not that great talent wise and were only media darlings because of the constant heartbreak. Funding has nothing to do with the quality of player, yes it can influence fitness and prep and Mayo were competitive with Dublin because they could compete at that level. The only pity over the last 5 or so years is that Dublin lacked any real competition, we need a strong Kerry and Tyrone back
STB. wrote: » What people forget is that between 1995 and 2011 Dublin weren't at the races.
bruschi wrote: » Are we counting 95 and 11 or not? AI wins in those years. Lets not count them so just to keep the count lower then for this famine period of 15 years
bruschi wrote: » I'd surely love to be from a county where we "are not at the races" and to be given multiple millions to try get us back at the races again.
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » Many of these Mayo players are among the greatest to ever play the game and undoubtedly would have won a couple of AIs if not faced by the current Dublin team, a Dublin team claimed as GOAT by Dublin fans, yet just about scraped past a supposedly weak/average Mayo team on a number of occasions.
STB. wrote: » Stop would you. Weak average or greatest to ever play the game. Which is it. Mayo struggled to beat Armagh at the weekend. Greatest players ever. Seriously, just get out, you are making a holy show of yourself.
STB. wrote: » Time for the whinging to stop and other counties to step up to the mark, and stop making excuses. For Wexford that will always be a problem as the population and club makeup is strongly geared to hurling and rugby.
kilns wrote: » The only pity over the last 5 or so years is that Dublin lacked any real competition, we need a strong Kerry and Tyrone back
Billy Mays wrote: » McKenna having a pop at Kilmacud Crokes under 14s today
STB. wrote: » I suppose it all hangs on whether you understand the word "between" I'm sure you wouldn't right now if the half dead bodies lying outside the Riverbank Hotel on Monday was anything to go on. Dublin for all their money couldn't get that far (despite winning more games than Wexford.) Wexford has always suffered from one thing. Hurling vs Football and small population. I suppose you can always add to that problems at Board level. The "millions" you are talking about in developments funds do not go to the senior players. They go to getting kids playing GAA and more importantly getting them to continue playing. The lads playing for Dublin right now, come from similar backgrounds to myself. Some play with my former club. What sets them apart is skill fitness and determination. Nothing to do with money. They are normal kids at the end of the day with day jobs. There are only 15 of them on the pitch at any one time, just like the opposition. Time for the whinging to stop and other counties to step up to the mark, and stop making excuses. For Wexford that will always be a problem as the population and club makeup is strongly geared to hurling and rugby.
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » Who are you on about? Kilns said Mayo were weak opposition, and Dublin are a great team. Dublin beat Mayo by their skin of their teeth on a number of occasions. Some of the posts on here are odd. Dublin are called GOAT but draw with Mayo or beat them by a point and suddenly Dublin are world beaters while Mayo players are not great. Its you whose made a show of yourself.
kilns wrote: » No I actually stated this current Dublin are actually not that amazing its just the standard of opposition has dropped and for those without red and greed tinted glasses, the only two players who will be looked back upon as great on this Mayo team are Keegan and Higgins. You are scraping naming others
bruschi wrote: » I noticed that despite allowing for the "not at the races for 15 years" excluding the bookended All Ireland titles, you have no comment whatsoever on this particularity bad famine period for Dublin.
bruschi wrote: » So you think millions pumped into full time coaching staff and increasing both the quality and quantity of training and coaching has no effect on subsequent adult based teams? I never once mentioned anything about money going to senior teams.
bruschi wrote: » The Wexford club game is strongly geared to hurling and rugby? I'm not entirely sure what that has anything to do with the discussion, as any development fund goes to both hurling and football which I have included in both my records of "not being at the races" in that 15 year period. The rugby comment is particularly odd and has little or nothing to do with any issues in Wexford GAA, no more than any other sport in any other county. Dublin were clearly at the races and got a massive amount of additional funds which has bumped them way ahead of the pack, on top of their own natural advantages and additional funding outside of GAA specific revenue.
La Bamba wrote: . If I had the same oppurtunity again I wouldnt have written that- you live and you learn. Now, you seem to have taken the steps of going through my post history to attack me instead of actually debating the point in question.
STB. wrote: » Read the post I quoted you on. You are banging on about Mayo (are you from Mayo by any chance ?) as having some of the best players of all time. Then you are sarcastically referring to Dublin as being the GOAT but are saying that it was against weak Mayo players. You cant have it both ways. And do you know what, nobody ever remembers second. Win something and then in you can make comparisons.
Stoner wrote: » But in fairness you only had 8 posts in four years, you've nearly doubled that in a day. It wouldn't have taken long. And maybe LaBamba if you didn't attack a section of supporters he would not have followed the standard you set. You clearly have an agenda. Same style and approach with each reincarnation. You continue to ask the same questions and get the same response. However thank you for not derailing the Dublin thread this time.
Barlett wrote: » Have you heard of Buzz Aldrin by any chance? Or Brazil 1982, Or the Netherlands 74/78 or Newcastle United 96 or ....I could go on. Nonsense talk.
Barlett wrote: » Lookit at the end of the day, my county is better than your county.
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » I am paraphrasing and quoting other posters, one in particular kilns. Jump in at the end of thread by any chance?
STB. wrote: » Buzz Aldrin I have heard of. The others No. Where they all losing teams ? Well theres only one way of changing that. For the other teams to step up and stop whinging about but they get loads of money and can afford to import lab players or lads that were destined for Barcelona etc etc etc etc No. Here from the start. Use quotes if you are going to paraphrase other posters.
Barlett wrote: » Lord blessus and save us.
STB. wrote: » You'll need more than prayers in Mayo, Barlett.
Barlett wrote: » I know, we need those handy millions the GAA gave Dublin to buy All Irelands
STB. wrote: » To be honest, after all the coke and hookers there wasn't much left to spend on getting the lads juiced up on untracable PEDs. Begrudgery. I expect nothing less.
STB. wrote: » .Development funds to get kids playing GAA will mean that more may stick at it.
kilns wrote: » The figures that Ewan quotes are Games development funds, which goes directly to GPOs and coaching, if you take the accounts and add up the funds you can see that.
lukin wrote: » Yeah and those funds pay for full-time coaches. Dublin have more full-time coaches per head of population than any other county in the country. Kilmacud Crokes and Ballyboden employ two full-time coaches. Presumably their salaries are coming from the Games development funds. Dublin supporters like to throw out this argument that all the funding they receive goes towards kids and promotion of Gaelic games in schools etc. It's utter nonsense. It doesn't matter what I say anyway because the dubs will come back with some ridiculous counter argument attempting to disprove it. They will say anything rather than admit their success has been helped even a little bit by the enormous sums of money given to them by Croke park. Nobody is saying their success is all down to money.They just refuse to accept that money has played any part whatsoever.
La Bamba wrote: » Hi all, I posted this in the Dublin thread but was told it may derail the thread so I have decided to post it here instead. Basically,I am just genuinely interested in getting Dublin fans perspective on MacKenna's article from this morning. Unfotunately when it comes to his articles I feel some people ( Non dubs included) see his name and Dublin being mentioned and roll their eyes at the headline and dont read the article.However, the points raised in this article worried me:https://punditarena.com/gaa/emackenna/ewan-mackenna-monday-dublin-advantage/ To be clear, I am not attacking Dublin with this post. I would just like to get the perspectives of actual Dublin supporters of why you may disagree with points made in the particular article. A lot of us talk to the same people and hear and read the same peoples opinions everyday so it is difficult for our opinions to change on anything.As a person from the country who would have a lot of friends who agree with MacKenna I am merely trying to get opinions and perspectives that may differ!. I usually try twitter for a discussion like this but in my opinion the level of debate has gone to the dogs and people tend to play the man not the ball so if I got some Dubliner perspectives on this article here I would appreciate it !
naughtb4 wrote: » He is getting great mileage out of writing the same article for the last year
